The fact that she is going as far as to join them officially by this point is fairly hefty evidence that she cares more for the Forsaken than the Alliance, at least. You don’t voluntary accept a race change into undead for kicks. Plus, it doesn’t seem that the Horde have any issues with her either, so the logical progression is that Calia comes to care for the Horde too.
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It sure is cool that the trend of “getting murdered by the Horde means you join it” is continuing with Calia and Derek.
And by cool I mean it sucks horribly. Stop poaching Alliance characters in order to prop up the Horde Blizzard.
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Calia could barely be considered an Alliance character. She’s a Lordaeronian character first and foremost. Then she was a neutral member of the Priest class hall in Legion. Then she chilled in Stormwind for a bit while the Gathering was being setup?
That’s about as much interaction as she really gets with the Alliance.
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She is a Menethil, the daughter and heir of the literal founder of the Alliance, and already had connections with the Alliance beforehand. The fact that she didn’t interact with Alliance players all that much doesn’t change her background.
Heck, she lived in Southshore all this time apparently. You know, the place that was one of the last Alliance bastions in Lordaeron before the Forsaken murdered everyone in it?
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This misses my point. Calia Menethil is a Lordaeronian first. She’s Alliance second. And her ties to the Alliance apart from her brief interactions in Before the Storm are from decades ago.
By the way, if this was Uno reversed, and Calia was loyal to the Alliance over who she considers her people, wouldn’t she still be betraying everything her father stood for?
This fork has Morton’s name on it!
Allegedly. It’s actually unclear if she still lived there by the time the Forsaken wiped it off the map, or if it was a Scourge attack that separated her from her family. Her phrasing is rather ambiguous, and she gives no timeline.
Point of order, she’s probably been chilling with Alonsus Faol, now also a Forsaken, longer than she was at Southshore. Is Faol betraying the Alliance he helped forged, by the way?
Well Lordaeron is dead, her brother killed it. Sylvanas knew at least her loyalties to Quel’Thalas meant nothing anymore.
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The kingdom of Lordaeron has ceased to be a political entity. Lordaeron’s people themselves have not vanished into thin air, still persisting in variable forms of living or undeath (seemingly most undeath in fact).
Difference.
Turalyon’s previous interactions with the Alliance were literal millennia ago, guess he isn’t really an Alliance character since apparently there is a statute of limitations on political affiliation in fiction.
No, because Terenas stood for the Alliance. Which, you know, he founded in order to oppose the Horde.
Last I checked he also didn’t say “Arthas, make sure you don’t kill and cultist necromancers or whatever, they’re Lordaeronian after all and hence my people”
Remember when he freaking burned down Alterac and salted the ashes because Perenolde betrayed the Alliance and joined the Horde?
Yes, but hey at least he’s neutral. Neutrality is still pretty messed up but joining the Horde is on a whole other level.
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Turalyon also has a far more important and mainstream role in the Alliance, venerated in Stormwind’s valley at the center of a set of statues. And his interactions were with a faction that outright joined the Alliance.
Calia was a princess. Her father founded the Alliance. And she was set to marry Deathwing.
One of these characters have a weaker tether to the actual Alliance than the other.
Terenas stood for the Alliance over his own people? That’s a really unusual take for Terenas, considering that he valued his people so that he rejected placing them under strict quarantine without proof from the Kirin Tor.
Like, yeah, he was pro-Alliance. But I seriously doubt he’d place the Alliance over the well being of his people.
Okay, Brannigan.
If we applied this logic consistently we could also say that in Vanilla Anduin wasn’t Alliance because he hadn’t done anything, or that Bolvar wasn’t because he had just been introduced.
All characters need to be introduced and given background at some point. That fact that Calia’s background was only elaborated on recently doesn’t change the fact that that background is entirely with the Alliance.
If his people were opposing the Alliance, yes. In Warcraft 2 there was even a peasant rebellion in Tyr’s Hand that he sent Uther to suppress.
Also, you ignored the other examples I gave.
That’s not applying it consistently, that’s strawmanning it to the point it doesn’t even resemble my logic. Anduin and Bolvar had more interaction with the Alliance player on introduction and were important and fairly central characters. Calia is a background character who was reintroduced as neutral.
Your comparison fails again. Your entitlement is showing.
By the flimsiest of tethers. Her relation with much more important characters than she was. She is also and always has been a LORDAERONIAN character as well, and has stuck closer to that althroughout.
Man, your version of Terenas, willing to smite Lordaeron itself if it betrays HIS Alliance, is far more the archetypical forum Anduin than Anduin himself.
If interaction with players is the sole basis for whether or not a character has a background with a particular faction or not then we’re back to Turalyon, who had never interacted with Alliance players in WoW and had been gone for thousands of years, which you just claimed invalidates any prior established history with the Alliance.
So which is it?
This is so weak and you know it. The fact that she had a national connection overwrites any larger faction connection? Is Anduin no longer an Alliance character because he is explicitly king of Stormwind, and therefore only a “Stormwind” character?
I’m just relaying the actual things that Terenas said and did. You really don’t seem to understand his character very well beyond an old man on a throne getting killed by an edgelord.
Did you not read Before the Storm? Many of the Forsaken characters in there would be incline to disagree. They actually saw their undeath as a second chance and sometimes even empowering in a way. Their main issue was that they were treated with hate by many of the living and missed their still living connections.
I thought they hated it and wouldn’t wish the curse upon their worst enemies? That’s what I read.
You obviously missed the parts about how many saw it as a second chance and actually embraced it. The Desolate Council didn’t want to die. They wanted the choice to choose death if they felt they had lived long enough. They didn’t want the endless immortality Sylvanas seemed to want them to want.
Seriously, I swear most people only read or listen to what they want to read or listen to.
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I’ll have to go reread BtS, but I’m pretty sure the governor lady who is fixing that other undead’s arm didn’t like the curse.
I want all the sh1t that’s been going on in the horde to end at once. calia is going to do a good job she cares about the forsaken and will not use them as tools for an evil end of the world plan
calia was never eating peoples’ faces while her soul was enslaved to the litch king
that’s my brand of forsaken; the people who had to watch their bodies do that. not every undead did, but those that did saw some stuff.
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Neither was Sylvanas.
???
She didn’t have the cannibalize ability in the game, but she was slaughtering Alliance besides Arthas and Kel’Thuzad in at least 2 Scourge missions in Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne, which I believe is more his point?
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