I don’t use addons

I failed my guild run because I don’t use any addons. We had half guild members and half randoms. We were 2/4/12. I was the resto druid for Mythic Igira. Apparently everyone except me was using a wa or something to track all soaks and all mechs and swords. I know all the mechanics and I have done most aotc’s when I can and some mythic raids in expacs without any addons. Unfortunately 5 people were super toxic to me and called me “names” and things and were saying “ kick magic or I will leave and take everyone else out of the raid.” “ kick magic or I’m out.” “ people who don’t use addons din’t deserve to raid.” Unfortunately I wish I was lying. Also personally if I see a soak, I will use my eyes to move away and soak on my own. The two other people were using addons and did not react to me moving to a free soak but their addon probably told them to move here so it caused a wipe twice. U can search up “Magicowse” to see that I cleared mythic gnarlroot but we had to stop at Igira as I was getting alot of hate and whispers. I will not post anything as I do not care but I do want to keep mythic raiding…. Should I dl addons or quit? I don’t really use any addons and use basic ui and whatever is ingame only. That is how I have always played since vanilla… :cloud_with_rain: :sob:

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Your method might be less successful, but in my opinion it’s more fun. I want to fight the boss, or mobs, not obey an addon. I use some, but try to keep addons relatively passive and informative only.

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I use farmhud, gathermate and auctionator…Leatrix…and at few others.
Nothing thats gonna make the game get harder by being there, lol

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It’s a nasty state of affairs but most pug groups like that aren’t interested in anything but the most efficient route possible. Overgeared, full addons, the works. Your method is definitely more fun but to the average pug you’re wasting their time (even when in reality you’re not and/or doing better with those who do)

If you have the skill to back that up, finding a mythic raiding guild should be ez pz. Lot of midcore guilds would be just fine with that since you’re not an active hindrance.

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You were trying to 18 man a mythic boss? There’s your problem

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I don’t know any addons that tell people where exactly to go.

Usually there are in game markers where raid lead places them.

Were you paying attention to the raid strategy that was planned out?

If you didn’t understand a mechanic or confused on what to do did you ask questions?

It’s ok to ask questions about mechanics, I did it in whispers to the raid leader when I was raiding.

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If people are toxic to you without addons, they would’ve been toxic to you with addons anyways.

It’s the people that’s the problem, not the addons. I would recommend finding another guild.

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Sounds like you’re blaming an uncoordinated raid on addons.

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This thread smells like bait to me.

OP does not use addons to raid Mythic but it was never a problem until now? How is it no one ever found out until now? Why did he even tell them he wasn’t using addons?

This is all very sus.

:sweat_smile:

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If you are doing mythic and everyone else is using assignment weakauras you need to use them or you are messing up assignments. Simple as that.

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I mean, I didn’t use dbm or anything until my guild caught me on Mythic Archimonde.
All the way from Black Temple on. I only ran Bartender and Healbot because the default ui for those things are just annoying to use so addons were just better.

I get ya though. I have my dbm turned off for anything less than like M+15. I know all the fights on multiple classes and multiple specs in those classes lol. Some people just can’t accept that we can keep track of a lot of stuff without help…but they can’t.
It’s just jealousy because, as you pointed out and as is often the case, even with dbm people mess up a lot.

I think now I could mostly get rid of bartender. The default healing ui is still trash so I won’t be getting rid of healbot. But I don’t think it would hurt to get DBM or BigWigs. They track pretty much everything in a boss fight. Move things around to where you can visually track them and its gg. It does take a while to set up, but as somebody with ptsd, aka hyper vigilance forcing me to see everything going on, I was always raid caller…and dbm made a huge difference. Takes a lot of the burden off of you trying to keep track of everything in your head.
When I have it on, I turn off a good majority of the warnings. I just keep it for critical “raid wipe mechanics” and that’s it.

And frankly, if people need weakauras either the fight is too complicated or they are bad at raiding. I have always hated weak auras, WA, because its about 10x harder of a hand-hold to a player. Its like using training wheels on a litter (the thing a king/queen might use to go around with servants carrying them on it) because this game is absurdly easy. It might sound lame, but I just have no desire to do hardcore raiding anymore. I was RL for like 12 years straight. I do lfr this expansion. I have watched guides on all the mythic raids. Frankly, not much different from back in Legion. Not much more complicated. Totally doable without dbm.

Long story short, I would say getting DBM or BigWigs and turn off most of the warnings. You are just like me and you just learn the fights. I even have done every raid of this expansion, lfr version, as every class and spec. I know the lfr fights, and I know from experience that there isn’t much difference between lfr and normal so I sort of know normal. And heroic is usually just a slightly harder version of normal so I halfway know heroic…But I still use dbm because its just ease of access to the information you need to finish up a fight.

Think of it like a spyglass. You can see a couple miles without one, but you can see those couple miles even better with your spyglass. Not training wheels, just an aid.
Like healbot lol. IT just replaces the default healing ui with slightly more convenient keybind interactions.

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If you’re in a raid group you are a burden to your whole group not using the addons that the group uses.

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It’s a weak aura that assigns left, right or back to the 6 targets to avoid triple stacks while allowing cleave close to the boss

The soak you are talking about is something that should be brought close enough to cleave, and the aura is there because there isnt enough time for a non-hive mind group to split evenly.

Going off on your own slows the entire process down. Is it doable by spreading out: yes. But if your team is having issue with DPS on the boss, then going away means you are putting more stress on the DPS by having them spread to free you.

Thats just how things are, its encounter design. With enough people overgeared (relatively easy to do) it can be killed regardless, but yeah thats the long story short of it. If you go in Mythic raids, don’t expect to yolo the fights if your group struggles to kill the first two bosses

Edit: thats just an example with the spears on Igira, other mechanics shouldnt need WAs setup on that fight but awareness of what to do and when

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Down two people too.

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yet, as an ex raid lead…people can still wipe 48 times and still not get it…all with addons holding their hands. The addons are there for people who can’t keep up. It’s just accessibility options that Blizzard won’t add in. Or sometimes to just replace the god awful design of some of the UI lol.

But I know plenty of people, still, who don’t really use addons like DBM or WeakAuras. In fact, almost everybody I know that plays HATES WeakAuras with a passion. They are chill enough about DBM because it’s a great learning tool. And it’s kind of hard to abuse it, meanwhile WeakAuras can literally do everything but click teh buttons for you. I’ve seen people with a radial menu that pops up when in combat so they can just click in one spot and have their skill bar rotate in to that one spot.
Smart, sure. Pathetic as well.

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Some part of me wonders if he didn’t intentionally do that as a :wink: to us that he’s really just trolling… :crazy_face:

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Aye but that is the nature of the encounter designs. If they had said they were raiding heroic, then sure w/e. But raiding mythic isn’t the forgiving type of content. At that point it is hindering the other 19 people you are with if you dont use the tools available.

Hell… Smolderon would be a ton of fun without the macro tracking (sarcastic here, it was not fun at all to have to use it, but use it regardless we had to)

Eh, OP claims he was on mythic Igira run, yet he doesn’t even have a mythic gnarlroot kill.

You can use alts here on this forum, so he may have been on another toon…but still sus I agree.

This one is on you bud.