And you get both when it’s an upgrade
I still remember one particular mouth breather on this very forum who tried to make the argument to me that the mog reason was stupid because “you’d never wear it since there are so many mogs in the game.” I’m like, hey you goober, that’s not the point. The point is a mog is accessible whenever I want, forever. That piece of gear you are whining about will be replaced by a drop from a world mob, farting as it dies in the next patch. SMH.
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This is why I think there should be a roll for the piece of gear and for the transmog itself. Person who wins the need roll gets the loot dropped from the boss, and by proxy the mog. Person who won the transmog roll gets a transmog version they can right-click to add to their collection. This wouldn’t be a perfect solution, if they still allow everyone to need, people who just want mog will look at which has the lower roll, and I’m sure there are other issues that would come up that I don’t see now. However, it would hopefully lead to less high geared people taking loot they don’t need for gear score, but still encourage high ilevel players to queue for LFR.
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I also think people underestimate customization as a motive to play. The largest reason why I engage in content is to collect mogs to make a cute character. Whether that’s doing world content for certain tabards or KSH for the special glow. I mean, in this thread people talk about LFR being propped up. What do I have to gain from LFR? Mogs. What’s hard to get from LFR for me? Mogs. Kinda sucks being shafted out of mogs because you want to progress your character. But it would also suck to hold oneself back from where thir skill is just to collect mogs from lower content.
I’m rambling. This is just a big issue for me. I play not only to progress characters but to craft them. Give me lower all mogs when I complete Mythic tint. If LFR finds itself in an incompleteable state because geared players aren’t trying their luck, it’s an issue with the system that needs to be fixed. Not slapped with a bandaid that makes players hope no one in the run needs a tier piece.
I guess Catalyst charges are unlocking. That’s kinda something to look forward to. Week by week collecting piece by piece only after I have completed most of my goals already.
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Hard disagree, but it is what it is.
Though, they should remove transmog and greed options from pugs though. As it stands, it’s confusing as it seems like there should be at least some “honor system” to it. Also remove the restriction to roll need on loot you can’t equip.
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Unfortunately some these days believe that they are entitled to everything, because they need the transmog or even just the materials it DE’s to, or for the vendor gold. So it’s a matter of dealing with it, and leaving it to the range gods that you get lucky. Just sucks it outa you when you loose out in that manner. That’s main reason I don’t do dungeons or raids.
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Transmog already have its own option and the need function should be disabled for those that are above a certain threshold.
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Because I need transmog.
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True, but I have never once won a transmog roll because there will always be people who need on it.
So basically if you actually want the transmog, the only way you’ll have a chance to win is to need on it.
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Which is basically “I’m going to be selfish because everyone else is”
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Nailed it.
Until Blizzard does something then everyone will just keep hitting need.
Just as it is selfish to expect these people to waste their own time doing LFR and expect nothing out of it.
Correct.
The only solution I can think of is separating the need and transmog rolls. The winner of the need roll gets the gear and the winner of the transmog roll gets the appearance.
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If I’m doing 25% of the entire raid’s damage then I should be able to roll on whatever I want to 
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It’s not just for mogging, but a lower iLVL piece can be stronger depending on the stats, or if it is a trinket.
Some people just see an iLVL and assume that’s it, it must be stronger if it’s higher.
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Its not unreasonable to not have something to earn out of doing a lower level raid but when you come in and win need rolls on LFR gear while in something like Heroic or higher against someone who has say nothing then its going to be perceived as you punching down on their experience since you’re not rolling for an upgrade but just the transmog.
Which sounds like there’s a need for a separate currency system so this doesn’t keep happening since it breeds and encourages its own kind of looting toxicity between players.
It’s bad enough that players are selling their winning roll to other players.
As I said, it would be better if they had something like separate rolls for need and transmog because the current system is unfair for everyone doing the LFR.
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And these threads (because this is the 1000th iteration of the exact same thread) are full of people trying to explain that that is your problem, not theirs.
Everyone who participates in random group content has a right to expect some sort of reward for it. It does not remotely matter if it’s a “upgrade” for one person’s gear. Who’s to say they’ll ever even use that? If LFR is all they ever do, then whatever gear they have that allowed them to qualify for LFR in the first place is plenty good enough for that content.
There’s plenty of other avenues for gearing up past that level that don’t even involve group content, even. It’s never been better to be a solo player. You can even get tier sets without ever once having to do a real cooperative raid.
You don’t get to say that your 5 ilvl upgrade is more important than that persons 85g vendor gain. You did the same content. You put in the same effort. You get the same chance at the reward. That’s equality.
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You do. You have the option to do the higher content.
At any rate, they pay $15 to do what they want in-game. Rolling need to sell the gear for gold is a perfectly viable reason to need. Gear rains from the sky in 10.2, you can get somewhere around 460 ilvl without LFR.
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You’re not exactly encouraging people to keep playing if already geared players swoop in to take gear for mogs or extra cash at LFR level…again its encouraging players to punch down no matter how you try to rationalize it for everyone else.
They just won’t see it your way.
Again, that’s their problem.
Their, and your, way of looking at it is selfish and stupid.
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