As a smooth brain I can’t be trusted with the timing and planning for breath in mythic plus. It is a cruel and unforgiving thing, breath. So easy to screw it up or have a mechanic interrupt the would be 25 second belch.
wishes for non-breath meta dmg
More fun without it in mythic plus me thinks. Anyone else not a breath fan?
I’m not sure if this is an unserious post or not and I’m just misreading the vibe, but personally I got wicked comfortable with the WowHead Riders of the Apocalypse build and it’s reasonably viable as an all around build despite I believe being a Delve build and doesn’t use Breath. I intend to learn a Deathbringer spec but I love the horsey mobility, it’s so useful and Death’s Advance is so underwhelming.
I was attempting to keep the post light hearted, though my disdain for breath is sincere.
I will have to take a good look into the other hero talent option. I have only given deathbringer the time of day.
the issue with the breath build is outside blowing all your cds, your damage is crap. single target is absolute garbage as well. frost need a rework and a clarification on what exactly they are supposed to be doing. the game currently has too many vague mismanaged specs.
Personally I enjoy the mini-aneurysms I get when breath turns off when I have 40 RP.
Every Death Knight build is like this. Even in Unholy we do tank-tier or below tank-tier damage outside of cooldowns.
Blizz for whatever reason wants a ludicrously high-burst damage profile as our identity, and sustaining that profile through cooldowns via our good defensives and actually avoiding stuff in our cool-off window is the way DK plays.
its a playstyle that doesnt resonate with the playerbase or read as fun, there isnt a good alternative currently either.
This a point of contention with other mmos as well where you are waiting around to be able to push your big number buttons and then go back to waiting, whittling away at break bars or doing the safety dance. This, over time, builds this sense of boredom and melancholy in players.
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This is simply not true. The Festering Scythe build does insane AoE without cooldowns. In medium keys, you can even play Clawing Shadows and top overall damage while doing very strong boss damage.
Vile Contagion is a cooldown. If you’re not taking Vile Contagion, the prerequisite casts of festering strike on multiple targets for scythe to get value might as well be a cooldown because you’re not doing a whole lot else fishing for Festering Scythe value. And if you’re not taking Unholy Assault you might as well be trolling.
Unholy Assault is a staple in all builds but what do you actually mean by “outside of cooldowns?” because Unholy is a 45/1.5 spec now and in your average medium to high key, you will always have some cooldowns.
Unholy isn’t a feast or famine spec anymore unless you’re doing low keys and small pulls but that’s not where you’d play Unholy anyway.
Bicep’s Scythe build isn’t running VC anyway and wants a bit more crit than standard Unholy builds. Scythe gives you big damage on every pack with crit and you are weaving in Epidemics. I prefer this play-style in higher keys because cutting Apoc and VC removes much of bloat from traditional UH. What you lose in ST, you more than makeup on overall.
You don’t have to go all-in on wounds either, you can straight up just pump with diseases in Ara Kara or NW without Scythe or VC.
I mean you enter into a rotation and those 45/1.5 buttons aren’t able to be pressed or are not pressed. Those are cooldowns. Maybe I’m running keys below my group’s skill or we’re not pulling big enough because sometimes I do have tragic sub 500k pulls when we off a pack too fast and move on to the next.
Frost is the same/similar timings depending on if you’re rider or breath.
We just don’t deal the same damage with our filler rotation as say a Demon Hunter with raw Blade Dance/immo aura or a Paladin with raw Divine storm/consecrate. And that’s fine? Just is what it is.
I dislike it too. It wasn’t fun when it was added in legion, and it isn’t fun now.
It was added prior to Legion, and people did like it then and people still like it now.
Yes, it’s actually a lot more balanced than you might think. All of Ret’s damage is front-loaded so in lower keys or small pulls they look stronger than they are.
Once you get up into the 7+ range and get a tank that can pull more than one pack at a time, that’s where Unholy shines. You aren’t really target capped like most specs and you need packs to live longer than 10 seconds to ramp up your wounds and buffs.
Unholy is just not a great spec for low keys and does not pair well with specs like Ret, Fury and Havoc because of their burst. I would recommend not using a WoWhead build until higher keys, the guys that make those builds only theorycraft for high keys.
The best change you can make for lower to mid keys is running Clawing Shadows. You will see much better results as it hits very hard when you need AoE or ST burst.
Of course, when packs die fast and you aren’t pulling multiple groups, your CDs won’t go as far as you need them to. For small pulls, I wouldn’t play the disease build, just put points into stuff like Magus Cleave, Clawing Shadows, Defile, etc. Talents that give you consistent damage from pack to pack without ramp.
You might even have better results playing the Commander / Minion build tbh. You will do more damage to smaller packs and way more boss damage.
Your right, it was added in WoD, one expansion previous to legion, I misremembered.
Are you incapable of understanding context? What part of “I” do you not get from my post. I wasn’t making a general statement. I was stating my opinion, as in it wasn’t fun for me even when it was added.
Like, no duh dude, obviously there are people that like it. But thank you captain obvious for your post.
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So no, it shouldnt be removed and it hasnt been impacting any other build out there even though people want to blame it for everything.
How about quit being a jerk… someone noticed your actual viewpoint through reading more of your posts and you got offended by it? Get off the internet.
I’m not offended. And so what if you saw my opinion, again it’s my opinion. I just pointed out you said something extremely obvious and stupid.
What makes you think that blizzard doesn’t tune other abilities based on how they affect Breath of Syndragosa? I’m guessing you don’t know the first thing about design. Why are you talking above your intelligence, is it pride?
I don’t like BoS, you do, so what about it captain obvious? BoS isn’t original to how frost was designed, obliteration build is.
I made this DK in 2009 and it’s been my main ever since, and I like the way frost originally played. So I would prefer that non BoS builds be equal to or better than BoS builds, which they almost never are.
Last night during raid, my breath cut off randomly at like 80 RP. It’s definitely extremely frustrating.
Because BoS is its own thing and they can just tune BoS itself. Its been like that since forever.
Hey, captain insult, I never said I liked BoS.
Obliteration isnt original to how Frost was designed and was actually released in Legion after BoS was in the game.
Good for you, you should use google to refresh your memory than going around being unlikable.
Yes, you are. Its seeping out from every word you post.