I tried to approach this questline with an open mind. Maybe this would be the chance the writers needed to make Calia into a likable character, one suitable for a major role in Forsaken lore. And I can certainly see they were TRYING for that, but it was like trying to cram your foot into a shoe two sizes too small.
It was all so FORCED. It reminds me of a D&D game, when an established group suddenly has to make room for the DM’s kid or significant other. Why do we like this character? You just do, now keep playing.
What really got me was how all the characters, including Calia herself, would rattle off a laundry list of reasons NOT to trust her. She’s a Menethil, she’s the wrong kind of undead, she’s infused with Light, she had FORSAKEN us (literally!). But none of them could give a solid reason we SHOULD trust her. Why is she important? She just is, now keep playing.
In the course of the whole questline, the only real contribution she made was priest bubbles. Well Princess Sparklebutt, we’ve had those since Vanilla. She also suggested talking to the House of Plagues, but presumably anyone who’s been to Maldraxxus (such as every single player character by that point) would suggest the same thing. What I’m trying to get at, is she didn’t NEED to be involved at all. She was just shoehorned in, because apparently we’re supposed to care about her now. Don’t question it, just keep playing.
I absolutely can not wait for her to go crazy and drop purples.
PS: Lilian Voss did not “lose” her family, specifically her father. She killed him. I helped. I think I got a blue item for it, even. Stop trying to make vengeance crazed cannibal corpses into sad eyed puppy dogs, dang it! Some of us LIKE being evil, that’s why we MADE these characters in the first place!
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Player Characters arent cannon
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I didn’t know Calia was raised from the dead by the light, I didn’t even know she died… I thought kind of odd she just poofed into the game. Was this in a book or something?
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Don’t worry Scuzz, I’ll kill Calia for you and become your new Queen 
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I know you’re joking, but I was reminded of Fandral Staghelm back in Vanilla. He was so hated by Alliance players, we could raid Darnassus and kill him, and they’d just /clap and /cheer.
By all means, feel free to return the favor. I’ll bring the popcorn!
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Callia can die for all i care. Shes worthless.
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Now here’s a Forsaken I can respect. I think one of the main issues with the lore over the last decade and a half is the attempt to pivot the Horde from being evil to being honorbound warriors who are actually a force for good but keep getting into scraps with the Alliance over simple miscommunications or the occasional intentional genocide. Embrace the darkness that the Horde always were! That’s what made them fun! They were the vanguard of the Burning Legion! This strange straddling the line between doing horrible unprovoked things (the bombing of Theramore, the invasion of Gilneas, the invasion of night elf territory to name but a few) and then walking it back (it was just an extremist faction! it was just that our leader was really a thrall of the Jailer!) is nonsensical.
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I’m doing a bit of research now, and yes, apparently just about everything significant about her or that has happened to her happened in novels. She was in the priest order hall in Legion (alive) then showed up in BfA (undead).
And now she’s here. Hooray.
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Her story starts in the book before the storm. It’s the story book intro into BFA. She was discovered during the legion expansion sometime serving in the priest temple. She was killed by sylvanas when her identity was revealed during the event with the forsaken being reunited with their love ones.
What caused her to be a threat is majority of the forsaken are still loyal to her father and in turn, her. Sylvanas knows this and killed her for that reason, but did not expect Aduin to take her back to the priest temple to be raised by the Nauru.
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She needs to die permanently. Ill help her.
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The Horde were never supposed to be evil and I hated seeing the way we got those awful warchiefs.
They have the most morally good race on Azeroth. There’s no chance they were ever meant to be pure evil. Thrall’s Horde wasn’t meant to be bad. So this is a return to form.
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Okay so the WHOLE Horde was never evil (taurens are sweethearts as long as you don’t make them mad), but the Forsaken for SURE always were.
We experimented on Alliance members. Not just in the “npcs doing horrible yet hilarious things to other npcs on a loop”, there were actual quests in Brill and other places to test plagues on captives. We were BAD PEOPLE. And I loved it!
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I think she’s hot. I think people are mad yet another emo, pyschopath leader was taken down. Same people who are mad about Garrosh lol.
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Eh, even before it was more of a found family type of deal. I wouldn’t say they were evil collectively because there were as many sad stories about them missing loved ones as there were cruel stories about planting humans in a field and smashing their heads with shovels.
There are still plenty of crazy and likely experimental nut jobs but now it’ll be more confined.
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Confining creativity is wrong. Let it shine. Who cares if a bunch of worthless living people die.
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Meanwhile Grom is in the back ripping a line of demon blood.
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The real issue seems to be with lack of grace with the introduction of her character, but if we’re being honest like half the things added in expansions have suffered this problem. Pandaria was one of the worst, with practically nothing hinting that it was coming down the pipe and a handful of vague references to it scattered through the game. There was zero lead-up.
That might not have bothered some, or even most (as evidenced by MoP being one of the most loved xpacs now) but it bugged the hell out of me. As I was leveling through it initially I just couldn’t figure out why exactly I was supposed to care about any of it because it might as well be a random chunk of rock floating out in the twisting nether with how disconnected it was from everything prior.
So if what you’re feeling with Calia is anything like that, I get it even if I don’t necessarily agree.
(P.S. Blizz: stop putting mainline story in books external to the game, plzthx)
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Be quiet and bow down to your new Alliance overlord Calia and her new converts. Forsaken is essentially an Alliance led faction now.
p.s. it’s really sad (or funny), Horde use to be this rebellious hostile/evil faction, complete opposite of everything the Alliance stood for… these days, it’s literally led by a bunch of Alliance sympathizers, Friends/Allies of the Alliance, and now with Calia, Alliance aligned/factioned characters.
Funny that the Horde is literally the Peaceful faction now, no longer ruled by warmongers/dictators, instead ruled by a republic (council) that’s packed with peace-mongers (especially key leaders Thrall & Baine), while Alliance can be considered the more hostile faction between the two now and continues it’s tradition of kingdoms chiefly ruled by singular leaders, some of who are aggressive and ready to attack the Horde at a moment’s notice without any care for any consequences (i.e. Tyrande).
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I did like that Horde, but I was happy for the first time ever a game had monsters not be pure evil. Sadly the Garrosh and Sylvanas arcs have irreparably divided the Horde into wanting to be pure evil and wanting to return to what it started as and there’s no reconciliation between the two.
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