Which is fine for content that appeals largely to grinders (I’m looking at progression raiding here). It’s terrible for features that apply to the general population. I’m fine with locking raids and gear upgrades behind a grind. Locking flight behind a grind is ridiculous.
Maybe WoW is pivoting long term appeal to grinders.
It’s an old game- it makes sense that they’d target a base Thats more likely to keep coming back and that is satisfied repeating daily type content vs those who need more stimulation. It’s more lucrative.
Just speculating.
I agree, but it’s funny, then, that Classic was so successful. The vast majority of players that I see in Classic are not grinding. They’re leveling. The only players that grind are the ones who get boosted to the end game and then farm the same instances repeated for their BiS gear. That’s a minority of the population at any given time, though.
When you refer people that boost to end game are you referring to live WOW? I haven’t played classic in a while so I’m not sure if the level boost is possible there.
Tortollan reputation wants to have a word with you…
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I haven’t unlocked flying, and don’t intend to. I simply refuse to, perhaps after being spoiled in the decade I played where I simply purchased it once I had the gold. 15k was a LOT back in BC (to me). So when I got it, there was still a sense of accomplishment.
There’s none to be had here other than ‘finally, it’s over’. That’s not accomplishment, that’s how I felt when I got out the Army ffs lol.
I’ve only recently come back too, to find out the Calig quest is STILL broken after a year, and people say an xpac of similar quality is going to save this game? Forgive my skepticism, but I’m wary of that. Because the rep grinds aren’t going anywhere, since they base their decisions on ‘engagement time’ and not ‘fun while playing’. That’s why the grinds are a thing in the first place, to ensure you’re constantly logging in to do stuff. It’s not about fun, at all.
I feel your post, OP, and I hope you either find a game worth it, or find the motivation to finish it so that you can zip through the skies instead of dodging mobs like it’s day 1…like this pleb is. 
Might I suggest FF14? They have flying, and it’s more going and finding little interactable (that an item directs you to, vaguely) and clicking all of them in a zone to unlock flying there. Less of a grind, by far. Also…story. And music. AND GUNBLADES.
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I was talking about Classic WoW. The population there has stratified into two classes:
- Players who care only about raids. These guys either pay to have their characters boosted to level 60 through dungeons or get a friend to boost them. Then they repeatedly grind the same handful of bosses in endgame instances to get pre-raid BiS gear. Once they’ve gotten into raids, they grind for money for raid consumables (even though they’re really not needed). Then they grind for resistances.
- Regular players who focus on the leveling experience. These players generally don’t grind. They reach level 60, do their attunement quests, raid casually, collect for their epic mount, and then roll an alt and do it again.
Judging by the balance of players on my server at any given time, most of the players fall under #2.
No but you had to get them to revered to get keys for heroics to start. How quickly people forget.
Whats the difference between running a instance to quests?
Not something to do? What are they then? Oh right something to do. Not my fault you dont like doing them and just want a participation trophy and dont want to play the game…
Why are you grinding? Just do the emissary you need and call it a day. Much more bang for your buck without the headache of grinding.
You’ll get what you want eventually.
I have flying, finally. The rep grind is trash. Nazjatar is made just to annoy you as much as possible. Mechagon is tolerable once you get the jet pack recipe since it allows you to fly there.
I want mechagnomes but the final stretch is just something I’m not willing to put myself through.
You didn’t have to do any heroics to get flying, did you? I still don’t see your point. The OP is complaining about unlocking flying, not doing heroics. The game is all backward now. Heroics are barely even worth doing now. You can finish LFR with a handful of world quests, but you have to grind for months just to be able to fly.
MMO=TIMESINK=GRIND, I don’t understand what’s difficult to understand about this, reps and other things have been a grind since the last 16 years or what ever since vanilla/alpha etc.
He’s complaining about having to gain rep to get flying. IN BC YOU HAD TO GET REP TO DO HERIOCS jesus quit being a obtuse jerk on the forums…Rep grinding has been in the game from the start…Tired of the whiny crybabies who complain about flight…
The irony here is thick. You really don’t understand the difference between grinding rep to get a feature that was handed to you in BC in exchange for gold and grinding rep to get into end game raiding? Yes, rep grinds were in the game in TBC. So what? He’s not complaining about the existence of rep grinds. He’s complaining about flying being gated.
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I understand. It took me weeks to get flying. Weeks after everyone else got through it quickly. I hate the rep grinds so much. It’s monotonous.
You dont seem to grasp its still grinding rep. No matter what its for. Wow you are either purposely being obtuse or really just that blind and dumb?
Rep grind in any expansion is still rep grind…duh.
And yes he is whining about rep grinding. Trying to do it behind a flight post so more crybabies side with him
Obviously, grinding rep is grinding rep, but that’s completely beside the point. You’re the one being dumb by trying to side track the argument. Prior to WoD, rep grinds were for:
- Crafting Recipes
- Access to end game content
- Catch-up gear
No one is disputing that or complaining about that, including the OP. Why do you want to argue about something that no one is opposing? The argument here is about whether flying should be gated by anything other than gold. The fact that rep grinds have always existed is completely beside the point.
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I’ll concede that this is silly:
Regarding flight and new races, however, he is absolutely correct. No one had to grind rep to roll a Dranei or Belf in TBC.