I am saying

Your position is that we should not collectively act unless we have verifiable proof and that verifiable proof is unattainable.

That position is not even remotely acceptable.

Strawman. My position is not that you should not act.

It is that you should not be talking about having a genuine conversation when you yourself are making dishonest fallacies.

Which you continue to make.

Amen

ā€œThis is the slippery slope that leads us to retail!ā€

Ill bet these are the same people who were ok with every other change that classic had. If you arent #nochanges and you try to argue that this is a slippery slope then you are a comical hypocrite

tell me, whats the furthest distance youve thrown one of your toys. how many pieces did it break into?

Hey man layering was a solution to a problem that blizzard created by launching too few servers. Every decision this company makes that wasnā€™t handed to them by either their predecessors or the community, is wrong.

I advocated for layering because by the time we saw just how wrong Blizzard was about how many of us wanted actual wow it was too late, they had already made the mistake.

This is different, this is before the mistake has happened.

There really is just no hope for some people

The only broken toys of my childhood I can recall happened when my younger brothers picked up somethign that wasnā€™t theirs and ruined it because they were too young to understandā€¦wait a minute.

uh, layering was announced before the game launched. the problem of not having enough servers at launch was fixed by adding more servers

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Yeah i addressed that. You are trying to be #mychanges and its not playing.

Iā€™m advocating for a movement similar to nochanges, not the same. But hey, iā€™d take #nochanges. You do know that boosts werenā€™t purchasable in TBC retail right?

You want to refer a friend for a boost when wotlk prepatch gets here? Ok.

Neither was layering. But we got that and now we get boosting. Changes happened all throughout classic but all of a sudden now theres idiots saying ā€œYoU kNoW tHaT wAsnT i tBC riGhT!?ā€

Trying to pick and choose

Well the WotLK pre-patch dropped October 2008 while RAF was added August 2008.

So technically it was during TBC, if weā€™re using the final patch and all.

youre trying to sound smart, but its really not a good metaphor.

the game will 100% be fine. you will play it and you will never know who boosted and who didnt.

Noā€¦this construct is of your making. You labled me a selfish #mychanges to try and dismiss me.

I corrected you, I would be fine with no changes.

Your arrogance is astounding. Let me share a quote from Bertrand Russell

ā€œOne of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.ā€

Now I canā€™t force you to believe that iā€™m an honest person and wonā€™t play if there are boosts. But I am, I said the same thing before wotlk came out and I did. Now of course you donā€™t care that iā€™ll leave, but if thatā€™s the case stop talking about it like iā€™m just lying to you.

Probably because boosts are fine, so no one is likely to follow your inane crusade, let alone follow you because of your insane zealotry.

When people like you demand everyone else stop being self-interested, what you actually mean is that you want us to not be self-interested and instead do what you want.

For things to be self-evident they need to be provably so, and since you just keep repeating that they are self-evident and nothing more, while literally everyone else is saying that you are wrong and your position is not self-evident, no one really knows what you are intending to do.

Nonsense puffery isnā€™t enough.

This is demonstrably false. The first dramatic loss of subs came during a time of increased difficulty and less accessibility to content at the beginning of Cataclysm.

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I mean if you supported any other changes you are a hypocrite. Personally id be ok with you not playing TBC. I think your mindset is cancerous. Anyone who thinks

Is an acceptable stance can disappear. More people always makes this game better

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well i hope you find a game that you enjoy. even though the boost being added to tbc will do literally 0 things to ruin someones gameplay, its very clearly a game breaker to you

maybe you can find a good tbc private server

oh wait, those have level boosts too. because even shady pserver runners realize people playing tbc dont want to waste their time in vanilla content

They dontā€™ charge sub feesā€¦thatā€™s why. And iā€™m alright with boosts from a small company that is even more vulnerable to consumer influence. It is less likely to get out of hand.

I canā€™t tell if you dontā€™ understand or you are being facetious. The changes were forced on the situation by blizzard.

Layering was something they floated as a possibilty and people did not want it, many of us wanted the same kind of servers we had in vanilla #nochanges.

Then Blizzard launches the game with servers 4 times the size they were so there is really no option but to bring in layering.

But neither you nor they get to tell me that iā€™m a hypocrit because they stacked the deck to make their way necessary.

And iā€™m not going to lie and say I didnā€™t recognize that they had become necessary at that point even though it lets people like you have a tool they can use to try and bolster their side by painting me as a hypocrite for voluntarily being honest.

No they werent. They were announce before launch

How can they be a solution to a problem if they were announced long before the problem occurred?

theyre also available 100% of the time for every character, often times for free.

tbc boosts have limitatios on limitations.

if your standard for allowing a paid in game service in a game is that game does not also require a subscription, youre not gonna have access to many games