It’s so hilarious how people are against GDKPs yet they’re fine with hunters selling dungeon items.
Their twisted, ignorant minds SOMEHOW see a difference.
One has a massive following of gold buyers and provides a heavy incentive to buy gold. No one is feeling pressured to buy gold to afford a tarnished elven ring you clown. It’s not the same thing.
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Too many low iq crybabies in the chat. Besides Ogb
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One is a difficult and skillful solo task performed by a Hunter in order to sell a single ring and world buffs.
The other is the eBay of raiding. Don’t be weird, these are not even remotely the same thing whatsoever.
Selling a ring that used to be BiS (Hunters don’t need hit anymore) for one class is not harmful to the game. DMT runs are not easily accessible to every Hunter in the game, it requires practice, skill and resources.
The ring is a VERY low drop chance, btw. You have to be able to efficiently run laps in DM:N.
The reason why GDKP was banned was because it turned endgame raiding into a P2W activity and invalidated all other gold making activities in Classic.
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Its because they actually don’t care about what you do in dungeons. Never had. Its in the bluepost but has never been actioned even though its been a thing all of phase 3 as well with Mara sells.
So people who are willing to bend the rules will not get punished and people who stick to the rules will get screwed. Just the way it is.
I tried asking support awhile ago but they did typical evade the question response.
I am not touching dungeon sell runs as my account is to old in case Blizzard finally changes their minds and actions it.
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Maybe this is a hot take, but I’ve always felt that players selling dungeon services is part of what makes Vanilla unique.
This is the only version of the game where you will ever see anyone paying gold to another player for a dungeon run and it’s always been part of the Classic economy.
Removing these kinds of activities diminishes the charm and social aspect of Classic WoW. I don’t necessarily like the GDKP meta because it doesn’t require skill to run one unlike a Hunter or Mage soloing a dungeon for another player to get them an item.
That being said, I don’t like dungeon exp boosts because it does remove the incentive for low level players to run them without a carry.
I don’t have an issue with dungeon selling in WoW. I have an issue with attaching a vague statement attached to the GDKP ban that included dungeon selling and then not acting on it or removing it. Either do what you said you would do or remove it.
Is this like a don’t go over 65 on the freeway type deal? It’s technically the law but…
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bro… sometimes i read this posts and i think… reddit must be offline redditors are coming here to hate farm
No such thing as p2w in wow, stop using phrases you don’t understand
In your twisted definition gdkps is p2w but buying dungeon drops isn’t p2w?
Lmao
I’m sorry that you lack the ability to understand nuance but yes, there is a difference.
Playing World of Warcraft, aside from PvP, you have three primary objectives. Level to max, clear a raid and obtain all of the best loot in the raid for your specialization.
Botting for levels, paying for raid progression carries and bidding on ENDGAME items from raids is all a form of P2W.
Paying a Hunter to perform a skillful task to help you acquire one specific blue, non-BiS dungeon ring that will get replaced is not at all comparable to an entire loot-system that fuels the RMT economy and puts a monetary value on every single piece of raid loot. It does not ruin the rest of the money-making methods, causing players to only do this one activity for gold.
It’s about scale and what kind of impact it has on the game for all of the players. One single dungeon blue that’s not even pre-BiS does not have a negative impact on the game.
It does not take skill or player ability to lead a GDKP. It does however take skill to farm DMT for an item with an astronomically low drop chance.
So forming the raid, killing the boss and hoping your item drops is somehow p2w?
But paying a hunter to solo a dungeon, kill the boss and hope your item drops so you can buy it isn’t p2w?
Do you not get how stupid you sound?
All of that aside there is no p2w in wow, I’m just using your stupid meaning of the phrase.
If wow was actually paying 2 win you would be buying items off the shop that are stronger than any items you can get in game by playing it normally, that’s actually what pay 2 win is.
That is not what we are talking about. Nobody said anything about forming raids and fairly rolling off items with SR or MS/OS.
We are talking about GDKP. Do you not understand the difference between a SR pug and bidding gold for items?
We should not be allowing players to buy gold and use that gold to acquire items for raids. Selling a service for one single dungeon ring that applies to one class isn’t remotely the same. The item being sold by Hunters is not a best-in-slot item and there are a dozen alternatives that can easily be acquired.
GDKP is pay to win. You are paying gold to get your best-in-slot items and we have seen the negative impact it has on the game, especially Classic.
I understand that, I didn’t think I needed to specify my first paragraph of them buying the items in the raid since we were already talking about gdkps…
No, paying 2 win is buying stuff that can only be gotten with paying real money.
None of that applies to wow besides cosmetics and mounts.
Imagine if they sold a mount that allowed you to fight while mounted and gave you +50% damage, this would be pay 2 win because it’s a massive advantage and the only way to get it would be to pay REAL MONEY.
Using in game currency is not pay 2 win.
You can shift goal posts all you want by calling for bis or not bis, in your stupid meaning for the phrase buying dungeon gear is still p2w.
I don’t agree with it, but it’s your definition here.
Best staff in era is Atiesh imagine if blizzard sold Atiesh MK2 on the shop that was 100% better than Atiesh in game, the only way to be equal in power to the person who buys that is to buy it.
This is literally the definition and has always been the definition of p2w.
You think people aren’t buying gold?
LOL
Challenge level = Impossible
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Both can be p2w. GDKPs have a lot more gold that is funneled through it though.
This is just wrong. P2W is any advantage purchase through money. If you buy gold and use it for potions, gear or whatever that is P2W. More specifically its Pay for convivence which is just a subset of pay to win. Like Apples are a subset of fruit.
Trying to obscure by saying pay for convivence is not pay to win is just wrong and is an excuse people like to use to get away with things.
No, pay 2 win has literally always been buying power that can’t be gained in a reasonable amount of time or requires you to spend real money.
None of that is in wow.
Imagine buying gold for a drop and it never drops, but thousands of others all got it for free.
Yeah you’re really winning.
Just wrong.
Imagine then losing it because someone bought 100k gold 1 week into a raid tier.