Whats the new class/spec preference for M+ now cause when I pug my keys with other hunters sometimes we can agree that it is way harder for us to get picked up in pugs. I pugged a rogue a week ago and he said in disc “i’d hate maining hunter this xpac its not good for yall” and that really annoyed me cause I take pride in playing hunter so I still feel like he’s wrong on that statement. Thankfully I dont have this issue much anymore cause I have a core group of friends but I just feel bad for other hunters who get looked over like that. Even if we have a decent i.o & all that extra bs ppl look at so whats up with that?
Hunters have always had a bad rep. This is nothing new.
I know but its only a week into the new M+ szn and ppl need to just let that go. Its getting lame.
It’s not so much hunters its raider io scores.
They will take any class if your score meets their requirements.
Eh… It’s a double edged thing, you’re not getting a higher io, because nobody wants to bring a low ranking, utility absent class.
If you’re not a DH, Rogue, Frost Mage and possibly a Boomy, they don’t want you. Not to mention how low all three specs sim.
We have to sit around till Blizzard stops pretending everything is fine, because there isn’t a Dev that wants to take charge and fix the situation. I miss Ghostcrawler.
Not for me at all.
Getting annoyed for what some random guy in the internet says? ROFL
That’s on them and no one else.
BM Hunter being one of the few that can dispell the enrage this week, trust me they wan’t one.
And getting higher IO is really easy, just start from lower keys to start growing the score. The thing is people with 200 score wanting to get into +12 or +13 and blame it on the addon.
If you have under 900 is really easy to pug from +3 to +8 or +9 to get a decent score before pushing the keys with the 4th affix.
Wierd, i had no issue pugging my +10 last week.
What situation? The BM situation? Or the RaiderIO situation?
But tbh i see no “situation” in either case.
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Well, I’m glad you as an individual are having a good experience. However, on literally every calculable aggregation, BM is not doing well. This is the difference between an opinion vs empirical data. I didn’t bother to look at your specific content that you’re doing (should have before wasting my time after what I just saw), but BM is in a bad place. MM and SV are subpar at best average. Here’s the problem… This isn’t you… or me… it’s the community as it is right now. There’s really no good scaling for BM and other mechanics where we aren’t competitive. I’m striving to prove that wrong; but, I don’t see many people doing it now.
…but, ya did… You bricked your key and you haven’t many this season or last season. I mean, your opinion is limited.
Raider IO characters/us/emerald-dream/Pacog
You don’t see it because you’re not doing any content to see the problem. I’m actually not sure on what you’re formulating an opinion on. You’re literally doing nothing.
^ Just lol. How many have you done? I can literally see just one.
Let’s see empirical data.
Since season 2 started, BM hunter is the 3rd (15.2%) most played Randed DPS spec behind Frost Mage (20.7) and Balance Druid (18.2).
You just decided to avoid that data? Because i fail to see the “BM Hunter won’t get invited to M+” doom everyone is saying.
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-2/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=ranged-dps:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=10:maxMythicLevel=99
True, im actually not playing my Hunter right now playing Elemental Shaman. But that key took me 2 mins to find a group and just to get the +10 of the week in case i need to switch to the hunter once again.
I had no issue in that dungeon, sure didn’t time it but meh it was a pug and just for the +10. But damage wise i had no issue and BM still has strong defensive and good utility with an offesinve dispells and traps.
Again read back.
BM hasn’t changed much since last Mythic+ season when i actually had a bit over your score, so yeah i see no issue with BM for Mythic+.
The only one i decided to do i had no issue, pretty sure if i try again i will have none.
I just thing the “issue” is no doubt in the players end.
I really don’t have time to go over everything with you. Attach your raider io to your main. Till then all I see is somebody talking from no experience.
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It is. Are you sure you know how to use the site? Really easy to find my main in RaiderIO. Cuz son, the numbers say i got more experience.
Apparently me and raider io have the same opinion of you…
No Tier 23 progression found for Pacog. Were you expecting to see some?
Pacog - Emerald Dream :
World : 37316
Region : 12668
Realm : 178
Cömanche - Zul’jin :
World : 844
Region : 275
Realm : 17
Maybe I don’t “math” too well, 844 > 37.316 Cuz son, you don’t know what you’re talking about with your hunter. You were 1214 vs 1,265 isn’t exactly great if you were an OP shammie at the end of the season. I wasn’t pushing keys just bare minimum as I was running 11 other 120’s. You have 0 progression on the hunter in raids and mythics. Son… lol
Again im not playing my Hunter right now. How many times i got to say this? Im playing shaman, cant switch or is that a crime? Plus i don’t know what does Raiding got to do in Mythic+ thread.
Im pretty sure i can get on 1K IO really ez, nothing has changed for Hunter from Season 1 to Season 2, if anything you can get more damage out of a dungeon thx to reaping which BM has no issue dealing with.
Nothing change and BM just got buffs to some traits that are actually usefull for Mythic+, so if i had no issues last season i should have even less this one. Im just deciding to not play my Hunter that’s all, i just wanted to play Shaman.
My shaman was actually 1,531. And OP? Wierd i go to Shamman forums and you get people saying the same thing there.
Said by a Hunter actually.
But i forgot is class forums, you either whine or you are wrong.
Just cause none of this applies to you doesn’t mean its not a problem. I speak for the ones it happens to so here is your attention you ordered. Good luck and happy hunting.
Not at all. However, you’re giving your opinion on something being “fine” when it’s not. The lack of experience you can derive your opinion is limited. Hence the go back and forth. Outside of a peeing contest, if you look at what the hunter community as a whole is ranking it’s towards the bottom and at very best in the mid. Especially BM hunters. Just you had this situation one time doesn’t mean it will happen for others. I stated I’m happy you’re happy with it, that doesn’t change the community as a whole.
^ This is how I know you’re inexperienced. First, get to 1k IO, come back and tell me your experience trying to pug 10 keys. No offense, but I wouldn’t invite you to my 10 key even on an easy week with no experience. There has been swinging talents on MM and playstyle changed a great deal.
^ Again, your inexperience is showing through. Sure, can I spike 49-110k sure, throw a DH and Frost mage in there and it’s severely lower. Not because I “can’t” pull that damage; but, their instant abilities low cast times dwarf your damage. There is only so much dps you can pull out of the well.
I’m not saying you are wrong. I’m saying you lack experience and in my own opinion, that’s why you’re wrong. I have all 12 classes, quite a few of them tbh. All ranging from 365-385, I wouldn’t think to go into the Shaman side and be like all shamans are good or bad with or without problems. My 375 ele shammie is great and all; but, I have no experience with it high end keys or raids.
I was trying to find ANY experience you had with the hunter to make such a claim that there is no problem. You don’t, so I pointed that out. You started all this “I’m better than you” nonsense and I showed you that you’re clearly not on your hunter. That’s not even the point though, it’s not a comparison between me and you, it’s citing (from experience) and logs. Those are facts and you simply can’t debate how the hunter community is doing on a whole based off your (I can’t even call it limited) experience. You simply have none. I value your opinion, but clearly, you can’t make a blanketed statement with the amount of exposure you have.
I did a lot of dungeons in Season 1 as a BM Hunter, i don’t know about MM cuz i find that spec really boring.
But as i said, nothing changed for BM from Season 1 to Season 2 if anything it got better with the resent buffs to traits so yeah i can tell and got experience with BM that is does better and should’t have an issue at all in M+.
As i said BM is the 3rd most played range DPS in season 2 in M10+ and 5 overrall in all the DPS specs. How is exactly that is hard for one to get in a pug? Because OP stated in his title “hunters in M+ not wanted as much?” when the hard data shows otherwise. Simply gonna ignore that?
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-2/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=dps:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=10:maxMythicLevel=99
Go to warcraftlogs /zone/statistics/20/#)
No idea how to post a link on these forums
What do Raid logs got at all to do with Mythic+ representation? A spec could be death last in raid logs yet have a good representation in mythic+.
As i said BM is a used spec by a lot of players in dungeons for doing keys as the data the RaiderIO i put you up there can show you. Have you seen it yet? Or just gonna ignore because it doesn’t fit your agenda?
Apparently you didn’t bother to read it. It’s for Mythic + dungeons. SV is second to last, hunters are at 17 and 20. Behind Prot warriors.
Ya, out of 188k parses, BM is 17th. Congrats?
Do you mean my narrative? I don’t have an agenda and I speak from experience. All three specs don’t fit the meta. So whatever point you’re trying to convey good luck. Can’t keep arguing the same stuff and you’re sitting there arguing about hunters and linking the top 20, of which, the same hunter is shown. How does that reflect on the community? How does 1 group reflect on how the average if not the other 99% of players?
So you never saw the link i gave you were it shows RaiderIO representation, it’s just dungeons m10 donde of time in Season 2, BM master is high up there with a lot of representation. Parses for Mythic+ really don’t mean that much outside of view what went wrong or what to improve.
The graphic from RaiderIO clearly shows that BM hunter has no issue getting in M+10 at all when is the top 5 most played DPS spec. How is that so hard to get? How is that Hunters are not wanted that much?
Again, you don’t understand we are taking the average players without the same group. I’m not saying, that I myself don’t think I’m capable of doing a 15 in time. I’m saying the desire for the group finder is NOT to select a hunter as part of the desired meta from the run.
What exactly are you not getting? The hunters you’re showing me is for a consistent groups. You’re showing me a handful of examples and I’m giving you over 500k parses showing how low they are.