This is how sad hunter defensives are RN… 4 CDs total, all 2m+. Then only defensive passive abilities comes via enchants. (Up to 4.5% avoidance)
1 -Survival of Fittest - 40% DR for 6s…2.5 min CD
2 - Turtle - 30% DR /Dodge Attacks for 8s and cannot attack while in use - 3m
3 - Exhilaration - Heals for 30% - 2m
4 - Fortitude of Bear - Increases max health by 20% for 10s. 2M CD. ( This one you must give up lust for, so again, kinda useless when you’re expected to bring lust. )
So depending on the spec - this is reduced to 2 (MM)
This is why I still push for Versatility from gear. Obviously not the ideal as what comes with the class/spec is more important than what comes from gear. The sucky thing is that Vers is heavy. You can’t hope to get far past 15% overall damage reduction, but maybe that makes the cut? I’d say it’s a soft no.
Blizzard should just give us baseline Vers for free anyway–all 3–if they’re not serious about giving us more defensives. Our Vers should start at 10%/5%.
Our ability to have our pets eat our aggro probably figure into any calculations any devs might make concerning our survivability.
Our pets may well be giving a false/misleading picture of our damage mitigation.
Only an issue in m+ but you do get 10% leech with a ferocity pet out.
How?
We get avoidance in the talent tree it just doesn’t show on the character stat sheet.
Are we tho? What are you basing this on?
We have great defensives the only issue really is rot damage but even then if they made leech work for bm pet damage probably would be fine.
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You also forgot the 2 talent points you can put in rejuv wind for 8% hp and 16% additional max hp healing on exhil as well as natural mending for exhil cdr.
Whilst all this is true we still have to spend 7 talent points just to bring our defensives up to a level significantly worse than just about any other class.
2 Talent points to reduce our heal cooldown by 1 second per 12 focus.
2 talent points to get 8% HP and a 16% HP HoT on our 30% heal with a 2min cooldown
1 point to get a 6s 20% DR on a 2.4 minute cooldown
1 point to make that 40%
1 point to get 6% AoE reduction
The issue is if it was any better we would be solo gods of unfathomable power as even as MM spec my pet can tank the world bosses just fine and all the zaralek cavern rares - only one it cant tank is the new zaralek world boss. Improve my survivability anywhere I’m using my pet as a tank and Id be basically invincible.
I think this is the real cause of the issue as balancing one massively unbalances the other.
Thankfully, our general class tree is absolute not a great talent tree at all, so it’s not like we have other appealing nodes to spend pts in. Sentinel owl, binding shackles…yeah.
Hunter currently is viable in arena as is. Though I wouldn’t mind a small defensive buff. You’re proposed ideas are really bad and would make hunters unkillable.
Hunter does have a 3rd spec thats the best of the 3 in M+ right now and as u said its a non issue for mm so really its only a bm issue which I did highlight later on.
Except it is an issue for MM as you also lose out by dismissing the pet, so it’s a problem for 2 out of 3 specs. And nobody cares about survival anyway
I’d love a cheat death for SV. Feels like it would fit the theme of the class… Though I also am not a fan of such passive defenses (so I guess, while they exist, we might as well get one lol).
Also, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again… Bandage should be baseline.
If u precast dismiss and pop lust at the end its minor and u get the defensive back which is what the thread is about. A way for mm to get access to pet utility when speccing into lone wolf without summoning it thought would be a welcome change.
Yes but…your original comment that I replied to was implying that losing tenacity pet buffs on account of having to lust isn’t so bad because you get leech. Which is not true for 2/3 of hunter specs because MM will lose it on pet dismissal and it’s useless for BM. Even if you get FotB you’re still losing out because you don’t get the health buff.
Couldn’t agree more. I used to love playing my hunter. Now my pet dies immedately & I did shortly after with almost 400 armor. Nothing to look forward to here. Shame
