Retribution
Radiant Glory has been updated – Wake of Ashes activates Avenging Wrath/Crusade for 10/12 seconds, Each Holy Power spent has a chance to activate Avenging Wrath/Crusade for 5/6 seconds.
Radiant Glory now extends the duration of an active Avenging Wrath/Crusade if it triggers while Avenging Wrath/Crusade is active.
Correct me if im wrong but this is huge.
It all depends on tuning.
On paper it is amazing. In practise you’ll have like ~70-80% uptime on wings, which we will be balanced around. Effectively turning wings into an rng maintenance buff rather than a dps cooldown.
As long as the rng proc exists, having wings up will be our “normal” damage and when it’s down we will do less than normal damage.
Remove the rng proc and it would be amazing though.
This.
Unless they tune the whole gameplay implication on the talent itself, it could mean that AW would get nerfed to accomodate higher uptime.
Which then means you’re hard locked into taking it because they already nerfed the baseline spell and the only way to get the full value is to take radiant glory.
As Evia says, remove the RNG proc and that’s an interesting talent.
If it keeps it, then I’d hope that they nerf AW on the talent itself and not the “baseline spell”.
There is already little choice in the Ret capstones considering how boring both Executioners Will and Divine auxiliary are.
Nonetheless, both Hero spec being tied to Wake means that having Wings up for both abilities (HoL and the Templar beams) every Wake use already makes this pretty much mandatory on arrival for both.
Burn to ashes MIGHT not be taken on Templar depending on some other talents tuning.
That’s a big IF though…
It means when the tuning happens the damage bonus will be nerfed into the ground.
Agreed, im just soked because ive always felt that we should have had a “every 3 HP used reduces AW by x seconds”.
I agree that this alone pre nerf is going to be God Tier. Id rather takeaway the on demand AW from Wake, the proc to me adds more flavor to the class and makes our damage more consistsnt and less predictable.
REally? I don’t want my beams to pop when every mobs is about to die, feels awful.
Beside, I rather have control over when my damage is activated rather then “ohh welp, wings pop after the damage phase” 
Almost perma 30% haste with crusade sounds pretty fun to be honest.
But i still can’t say i’m super enthusiastic about ret gameplay.
Again, they wont let us have that.
Or else they will tune everything else way down.
If they leave it as is, that’s our new “normal” damage and we’ll always feel bad when it’s not up.
Current iteration is one of the best we had.
If they want to give a bit more uptime and make our Hero Spec work with it this expac, fine, it’s kind of balanced by wake not being buffed by it as of now.
3 more sec on the min is fine and a way to cheat Crusade out of its 2min CD is interesting by itself as well.
But RNG wings will feel terrible down the line due the the strings it comes with, we don’t need that.
If they want to give us Awakening then they can just go ahead and do that.
Every X HP spend it triggers, fine.
But RNG is not the way to go.
That’s basically pulsar, ironic they removed it on balance druid, but could give it for paladin.
Frankly speaking, what an awful change, pulsar was awesome.
There was nothing good about the druid changes, seriously. Hated everything from start to finish. it’s just a significantly lesser version of the balance druid we have now, and feral is trash high downtime spec. Yuck, no thanks.
Anyway, rant over, pulsar is awesome.
AV/C visually telegraphs to all who can see you the Ret is trying to do damage. It is a crowd control magnet, until people know that Ret will just about always have wings, they will almost always be trying to CC us. If we are still tuned favorably it could be bonus damage. As others mentioned, I am similarly skeptical.
this is not huge, this is the worst timeline. theyre doubling down on radiant glory which means no more impactful wings cause wings lasts forever
literally ask hpal what happened to their wings when they touched 60-70+ uptime on it
No its not huge becuse it hingea on you proccing more wings uptime and the revt with most procs wins.
Radiant glory should not replce AW and it should not proc wings randomly. Just make ot work with woa. We dont need to be fire mages living anddying on hbing combust
Take out the ability to use HoW and it is fine. It makes choosing cs and ts harder when HoW is almost always usable.
It begins…
Keep in mind, I dont think there is a DR for this so in theory you could proc this multiple times in a row extending already activated Wings/Crusades. So it wouldnt really mess with beams at all.
All depends on proc rate and tuning. If other talent options are competitive with Radiant Glory then it’s all good. If it is head and shoulders above everything else then something needs to be done about the talent, not our baseline cd power.
you cant tune something like this without effected the baseline spec or wings itself.
they either have to remove the proc chance for mroe wings or nerf wings. thats it
Competitive options reign in the power of something like this. If the ppm on the proc doesn’t beat out the value offered by competing talents then the talent is healthy.
Personally I’m anticipating a change to the ES/FR branch of our tree.
Hugely bad, it’s nothing but Vision of Perfection reborn and there is nothing good about having RNG determine your DPS.