How many of the slow raids were due to people not being flasked, versus poor raid comp, no idea how to do the pulls, or poor leadership? You can easily clear the whole dungeon in greens and blues lol.
It’s your guild is demanding you bring his consumes and still not clearing in 2 hours or less, you might as well pug it lmao
man I thought people couldnt buy gold anymore since they banned gdkp?
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Shocking the pre bis stage ppl really need gold for boes, crafts, and their mounts
Lemme know how it is in 20 weeks when nobody needs 30k to buy MQG
Except that such behaviors can usually be easily attached to a particular mindset of individual like a lot of other things. It usually just takes an independent, unbiased research and analysis to demonstrate it. Whether imbeciles are ready to accept it or not is of little concern to me.
I think you put way too much into video games from the sounds of it
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unless you play with a group that doesn’t require consumes
Neat so your guild doesn’t actually require consumes, so you’re only proving my point.
Here I will give you a list of consumes I used for a 40 minute MC. Mind you I died because brown men don’t know how to push the taunt button so this is +1 elixir/potion than would be needed across the board.
WBs so obv need to use boons to collect them - you can do it in 1 but that isn’t exactly the easiest so I use 2 most of the time
Flask of Supreme Power
2 Greater Arcane Elixirs
3 Elixir of Frost Power
3 Elixir of Fire Power
10 Major Mana Potions
10 Demonic Runes
9 Runn Tum Tuber Surprise
9 Grogg
2 Elixir of Fortitude
2 Might Troll’s Blood Elixir
2 Elixir of Superior Defense
3 Sappers
10 Dense Dynamite
3 GFPP
1 GAPP
1 GSPP
1 LIP
And that isn’t even ideal and I should be using sappers/dense more than that in some cases.
You aren’t using a flask and you’re trying to act like you’re somehow proving my point wrong LOL
cool i just did a 44 minute mc today using the list i posted, so ur getting 4 minutes for 300g and complaining about it on the forums instead of finding somewhere else
imagine ur whole guild requires this and u beat a 9am run that recruits people out of the trade chat by 4 minutes lmao
ur literally trying to clone top guilds while not being anywhere close to a top guild, while complaining that your cloning costs too much, its absurd
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Post the logs.
sure
https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:caLtjmfyp1gkJxQ9?boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-done
we even had a shadow priest in there and a rogue who was afk half the run
5 people flasked, none of them were a caster, yep…
idk guys this molten core stuff is pretty serious business its gonna take me 1 day 41 hours to clear it if i don’t spend 500g per run
I mean top 5-6 people in that log have full wbs and consume. 25ish have partial wbs and some consumes. How does this disprove what the guy was saying?
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what do you mean disprove what he’s saying? if his guild requires full world buffs and flasks and he doesn’t want to do that, there’s options that aren’t 3 year long runs that don’t require any of that, he is choosing to do it and then complaining about it
we have 5/40 (according to you, i don’t actually know) with his guilds standards and are a pug and are literally doing basically the same runs
“i joined a guild that requires consumes and full world buffs”
“ok that’s cool”
“yeah consumes suck and i hate world buffs”
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But your run had a bunch of people spending lots of gold on wbs/consumes… So he’s right.
what’s he right about?
that you need wbs/consumes to have a decent run
that’s not what he said at all lol
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“pretty much.” I mean I can read between the lines here. Seems straightforward.
yeah and its still stupid,
if you don’t like consumes, join a guild that doesn’t require them, if you make the excuse that you can’t because the raid quality would go down then that’s what ur choosing to do and as evidenced by what i posted, the raid quality is around the same in a very good pug vs his guild runs, without the stuff he hates
hes a frost mage anyway by that sounds of it, minmaxing a mage in molten core is like practicing the egg and spoon race
you are farming 500g a week so u can decurse the warriors with ur flask up
It’s not stupid on this thread. You need consumes/wbs to have a decent raid. Consumes are out of control despite a gold buying ban wave. And with gdkps banned people can’t have their raiding support itself. The answer shouldn’t be “just go do a worse raid.” It isn’t fun,
Honestly a 1.5 hour mc should be fine for most people. It really shouldn’t be a miserable experience to hang out with guildies that long. I don’t think it really matters until AQ and you’re trying to clear everything every week. People complain so much about not havin a sub 1 hour mc clear phase 1/2, makes no sense at all. Just find a group of people you enjoy. None of the content is hard