So I skipped Classic 2019 entirely. I never liked Vanilla, so I simply opted out from playing it. But been with Classic since TBCC prepatch.
I loved TBC prot pala tanking.
Is it similar in Vanilla comparing to TBC? Now that we are getting taunt, it suddenly is a viable spec. Is it similar to TBC? What are the differences.
And #2, what about Resto Druids. Is it any similar? With Lifebloom and WG, I wonder if Rdrus are gonna be viable. But I strongly doubt it. Rdru looks like the least viable healer at the moment.
Thanks in advance.
Who knows.
The spells are similar but not exactly the same and we haven’t played it yet.
They’ll be better then they were in Classic but that’s about all we know.
For Vanilla, prot pals suck as tanks. They are semi-viable instance tanks; pretty decent at tanking UD instances like Strat/Scholo, but useless for say Hakkar in ZG.
For SoD, it looks like it will be pretty decent with runes like Aegis, Hand of Reckoning, and Avenger’s Shield, it seems like they’ll be amazing AoE tanks.
I tanked Hakkar in ZG just fine. As long as you have 3 of a given class with you, the threat from GboK and other abilities is more than enough.
On topic: Prot Paladin in Classic and TBC will be similar given all the runes are based around a lot of the TBC changes. There’s a lot to speculate and we still don’t have a full understanding of how gear, unrevealed runes, and plenty of other stuff will work so it’s hard to say where Paladins will rank. Warlock/Rogue/Druid/Shaman getting uncrittable for free is really big. They will likely shrug off crushing blows with big HP pools and armor, while Warriors and Paladins will be more of the well rounded tanks.
Sure, I just didn’t tank ZG every week for months on a prot paladin because you said it’s not possible. Silly me!
Not going to lie, I don’t believe you did, at all. Well, specifically I don’t believe your contribution to tanking Hakkar was particularly any different from if you weren’t in the raid.
Pallies were trash tanks in vanilla and only got by with blessing spam which is a terrible playstyle. Thank god they get a real taunt and some real tools in SoD.
You didn’t fix anything, hoping you have enough of a given class to spam one button for threat is laughable and they were still trash compared to warriors. Linking your trash blue parses with sub 200 DPS proves it.
Every 40man raid had 8+ warriors. There was no hoping. I never lost threat in UBRS and couldn’t spam Kings either. Just took more spell power gear.
Having 3 of one class in 20man wasn’t hard to do either considering half the game was Mages too.
I don’t get why you have such a hate for Prot paladins. Did one steal your spot as a tank and you’ve just never let it go?
Yeah, I used it as well, but had zero hope of getting Hakkar to target me with all the brown bois in the raid…
Thanks for sharing your logs; too bad they’re archived so we can’t see the replays.
It could be that you are the only person who is playing them correctly. I literally do not believe you, and you can say whatever you’d like, I won’t change my mind. I played a paladin and tanked enough to have formed my own opinions as well as to write off some claims as gaslighting.
The trick is swapping your gear for the situation. 5, 10, and 20man content is better with high spell power since you don’t get any or very little mileage out of Kings spamming. In 40man, it is about mana management and getting the most out of Kings.
Not sure the sudden switch to hostile, but okay. That was aimed at Aedd. I have the logs that show I had tanked it. In order to get a Prot Paladin log, you have to take a certain amount of damage. I have Ret logs and don’t think I ever specced it outside of pvp. Those are times where I was learning how to play it and did do a lot of threat.
Oh, I don’t mean to be hostile towards you. I’ve just heard this sort of thing about paladins enough, and tried it out enough that I’m rejecting it outright. It’s possible that your experiences are different. I don’t personally think so, and I don’t believe you (which is fine. I’m not saying you’re lying; I’m just saying I don’t believe it).
Paladins are not good tanks in Vanilla content. They look like they will be excellent in SoD.
Also, for what it’s worth, this seems to be a little contractictory:
Druids got the bad version of lifebloom.
The TBC version you could maintain x3 stack. The SoD version you have to let it bloom to refund mana.
That’s why I put the phrase “very little” mileage out of it. Nearly every ZG I did had 3 mages. They were abundant. Each cast of GboK is 140 threat per targeted player spread evenly among what you’re in combat with.
So for Hakkar specifically, when none of his Sons are pulled for the toxin, you’re doing 420 threat per GCD (on the 3 targets), plus your swing, plus blocking+ret aura, plus seal damage (or mana returned on SoW), and consecrate. When a Son is pulled that threat is cut into half on both targets so it’s crucial that whomever is pulling them only does so within the last ~12 seconds before the blood drink.
If you don’t have 3 people to spam on, 2 is still 280 threat a cast, but it is a noticeable loss of threat.