How are Death Knights in Retail 2023 for Dragonflight? Is Unholy and Frost good for dps and how is Blood for Tanking?
It plays like sh*t, decent from a numerical point of view in the current raid tier. Absolute hot garbage in M+. Even hotter garbage in PvP
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All 3 specs are doing great in pve despite what the forums say. Unnholy is one of the best farm melee specs, frost being one of the best prog melee specs in the game as well. Blood is maybe one of the tankiest, and best feeling tank specs I have played this season, people complain about their damage but their damage is perfectly competetive especially with the last 2 big buffs. All 3 specs can do any level of content fine.
PVP… stopped a long time ago but it sounds like it is not the class to play right now.
Mythic+ Frost dk is maybe the best melee spec in the game. Dont let the nay sayers tell you otherwise.
We dont bring lust or any group passive buffs but bring fantastic utility… despite what the forums say. You may have issues getting into pug groups because of stigmas
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post on ur dk. do u play dk? Frost is literally the best thing since sliced bread in mythic + what are you on. Blood is fantastic in M+ too.
I am EU player, you joker.
Hardly. Very delusional. Of course it is possible to clear all +20 content with Frost DK just as with every other class too.
Is it as good as other classes like Ret or Sub Rogue? Not at all.
Unholy is definitely worse too.
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Post on your DK
not convinced you play one
2 years of hateful delusional depressive negative posts on a lv 11 alt.
Nothing will make you happy
Do you play dk?
Why post here if you are EU.
h ttps://raider.io/characters/eu/lordaeron/Khorag
Like I would give a turd about what you believe.
Because I can and EU forum is dead
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If that is your character then you are almost 2700. Most people aren’t congrats you have done and cleared the content. Should they just give you it next time and you don’t have to play game?
You have cleared heroic raid! congrats! Most people haven’t.
What do you want… what is so bad… You are the top dps most if not top 3 in all fights in your raid group. Congrats… and only 80% theres room to grow too!
So you literally beat your fellow guildies but think you should be buffed? like what is this community… insanity
Mate, reading competence. Please read my original post carefully.
I said that the playstyle and the current talents are unfun and don’t feel as satisfying as what other classes and specs have access to.
Of course from a simple DPS (mathematic) stance DK is alright, even one of the top 5 specs in multiple encounters which counts for both Frost and Unholy.
Where did I say it needs Buffs? I demand a rework of the spec.
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Decent joke.
Frost has issues getting into groups for the same reasons Unholy does. The maybe extra 5%~ damage you get bringing a DPS DK into 5man content doesn’t outweigh the actual, useful utility the real best melee specs bring to M+.
You can bring a Frost DK to M+ over a Ret, Enhance, Survival, or Sub for example, and maybe do 5% more than those specs. But those specs all bring actual, useful utility outside their damage that more than makes up for the 5% gap.
They don’t want to. There’s a very vocal group on these forums that just want to talk about how great Frost is because they get big numbers, ignoring that it’s objectively a mechanical mess (in part due to those “large numbers”, ironically) and come out swinging anytime someone says any variant of :
@OP, all 3 specs are very solid in PvE content. Design wise though, DK is in a very poor state.
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PvP wise, DK is in a really rough spot.
There are some promising changes coming to unholy on Tuesday though. Frost is getting a buff to damage outside of CDs which is great, but I don’t see how they will be able to dish out sustained damage with how poor their survivability is.
Blood is fun in BGs though. You can win (or at least not lose) every 1V1.
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Frost dk is definitely not one of the best melee for m+. They do very good dmg comparatively, but sub, dh, enhance, ret, etc are all better as they bring good group utility on top of similar dmg.
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How is blood one of the tankiest tank specs . On 25+ fortified keys it’s nearly impossible to survive in big pulls outside of drw. If you don’t know what you are talking about then just don’t .
What? Enh and survival bring nothing, ret brings aura but i would outweigh it for grip anyday in m+. Sub brings grp stealth which is situational af depending on season.
What do they bring that outweighs us? We bring more utility then every single class you listed. Those were deffinately not the specs to choose for arguement lmfao
Do u do 25+ fortifieds? Is 25+ Mythic dungeon the average player that a class and spec should be ranked on?> NO. Dks clear all content fine every spec and are favorited in alot of slots for raid right now for dmg. You will have 1 dk in your grp for raid right now at high end gameplay.
get out, rating a class on the .1% of populations gameplay. like enough is enough.
They don’t bring more utility then we do, list it out, shaman off healing nerfed next week dont count that please. Ill wait for your list on how any of them bring more utility than we do. You dont even play your dk how can you have an opinion. stop spitting the false information you read on here as facts. DK is in a very good place right now.
Both specs are more than “viable” for the raid and in m+ (up to a certain key range over 22 where the meta takes over)
Unholy (with PI) is top tier in H raid and frost feeling better in m+ but you can play either. Unholy is definitely an easier spec to execute in the raid with all the movement and easier playstyle.
Frost is looking good in the raid on mythic but there are very few kills on frost so you need to take that with a grain of salt.
I can’t speak to PvP but it sounds like some changes are happening on Tuesday to help with issues. Whether that will be enough is TBD.
Enhancement has Windfury, Earth Elemental, Poison Cleansing Totem, Tremor Totem, Wind Rush Totem, Earthgrab Totem, Purge, Lust, and AoE that’s not constricted by micro movements.
Survival has AoE slow, AoE stun, ST stun, Tranq Shot, Misdirection, 5% party leech for a few seconds, Lust, and better priority & ST damage and AoE that’s not constricted by micro movements.
Frost has Death Grip, Blinding Sleet, AMZ, ST stun, Brez. You could argue Limb & AZ but those are DPS CDs first and foremost. DnD & Remorseless can snare but that’s not really as effective as non-DPS tied snares.
Saying DKs have “better utility” than those specs is laughable. If M+ as purely about damage then Frost would actually be taken a ton. And people at higher keys aren’t sleeping on Frost, it’s just objectively a worse spec to bring over any of the other melees I’ve listed.
Enhance has quite a bit. Knockup which can act like our Blind for interrupts, group movement, healing totem, Windfury totem which is good for certain specs, cleanses, hero/lust, sunder interrupt and thats just off the top of my head.
No clue about survival, but a lot of people always say other specs have it better and some do. But the DK can provide plenty to a group even if some of it is niche.
Some people overblow the situation.
I m playing ret pally with a friend who plays BDK. And yes, we play 25+ . BDK is clunky, brings 0 utility to the group and have no support healing . With your logic balancing classes is not required since you can do most of the content by just auto-attacking enemies.