How2 bring back fist stun without being toxic

use the tech already in place to differentiate its primary target from secondary targets, which its damage currently does, to let it stun only its primary target on only the first tick

gut snare to 50% from 90 or remove it, honestly don’t care just whatever design intent the devs feel like insisting on as long as it’s not 90

go to talents and remove tiger tail sweep, make rop vs sweep a choice again

just remove monks, dhs, and dks…

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I think it should AoE stun like it did otherwise it would be quite a nerf when thinking about that lmao.

And this is quite pruning as far as i can live with RoP vs Sweep but then FoF would have to be an AoE stun again.

if sweep is 45sec cd again sure

it doesn’t stun at all right now slugger

or it could just be single target fof+aoe sweep and make more interesting gameplay for a ww without making life that much more hellish for immobile casters

that doesn’t sound like something the devs are likely to accept as a change, try to stick to fixes that wouldn’t tacitly admit failure on their part

I think reverting ww to a previous incarnation would just be the go. I have not heard one ww applaud blizzard for what they have done to the spec this expansion. Most people obviously aren’t happy with their specs but ww design seems to have been one of the worst.

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ladies, ladies

Ur right. They did recently in the last dev talk say they pruned too much. So they are starting to listen.

Idk enough about ww to suggest anything good. Old TEB seemed like something everyone liked tho. Perhaps make that baseline again and apply the fixes u suggested to FoF

sadly the pve community hates teb. the monk discord is run by a ww “theory” “crafter” that thinks the legion damage model is the best, and that mastery is interesting when it buffs non-sequential attacks while none of your high impact abilities(outside pve aoe) are spammable

They’ve said that like thrice. Don’t believe anything they say until they prove it

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… go on.

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And delete gpyro.

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Give them stun, reduce ww damage, easy trade off.

that’s exactly what’s laid out by the first post, glad we agree

Wasnt only talking about fist damage, overvall ww damage while in pvp combat

The spec is mostly aids because its so slippery, fast and deals huge damage while having a parry wall every 10-15sec

remove turbo fist
remove fist while moving
remove fist cd reduction by using BoK

bring back fist stun
bring back tigereye brew and make images on talent tree in place of spiritual focus
bring back zen med

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you actually were talking about fist damage, because lining up resource-based burst on a cd that matches DR resets is a niche ww has had in a healthy way for most of its time in game. what puts overall dps way over the top is turbo fists unhealthy synergy with OPS trait meaning more than half the dmg a ww does all game gets done in the few seconds it’s channeling fof on two players

forgot to mention, get rid of this lunacy too yeah

I’m cool with ww getting their stun back. 90% snare just seems super weird.

100% agree, but someone in anaheim wants it to be a snare spam of some ilk

Probably too OP in M+ or something. Just make it pvp only stun and it’d be fine.