-Player who argued for this version of AV, and noted wall-of-no poster, Zyrius
You are really bad at trolling .
So when it literally takes longer for alliance to get to the horde graveyards its definitely not a map balance issue . Horde being able to flank us from 3 different sides at stonehearth while we have to push through one single narrow stretch to get to iceblood is definitely not a balance issue .
But please , keep it coming !
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You literally claimed to be dominating horde in every way, made it to drek, and blamed the loss on the map.
So you have no real response?
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Only all of the ones which you are pretending never happened.
You obviously cant comprehend that statement so ill make it a little easier for you . We wiped the horde and dominated them multiple times , made it all the way down to drek , but we still lost due to the SIMPLE fact that horde can get to our graveyards faster than we can get to theirs . If you would actually properly read instead of sperging out ( if you are able too ) you would actually know that the alliance in alterac valley have a disadvantage when it comes to the distance that it takes to travel to Iceblood and numerous other locations when compared to the time it takes horde to get to alliance locations . Its been explained in so many different threads on top of other things that contribute to the 99.9% alliance loss in AV .
You still havenât shown us what have you contributed to this discussion
You have no valid arguments besides telling people that they are somehow wrong without explaining why .
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Dude, you have been doing a good enough job on your own. Nothing needs to be âexplainedâ, people need only to look at your posts, see that it is just complaints about something that was inconsequential back in the very same version during vanilla when alliance won plenty if not the majority of AVs, and realize you like a small number of alliance, simply want things changed because you want catered to. Just like blizzard catered to alliance when they cut P2 in half because alliance complained about it.
History clearly shows that (beyond the cave respawn system) this is solely a player problem.
Yes your reasons which have been throroughly debunked 
Never said they didnât happen just that they are wrong
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If they did do that they would see that its actually you complaining and not anyone else , all of us actually contributed something productive to the discussion and kept it peaceful and civil until you came and started trolling and telling people they are wrong without any type of argument . Perhaps you should go back and read the stuff you have been posting , its laughable .
What have I âcomplainedâ about?
What have you contributed that was remotely productive? Complaints about aspects of the game that are identical to how it was during vanilla, when alliance were winning many if not more AVs than horde? What âargumentâ would you find acceptable, when you cannot even acknowledge that fact?
HISTORY debunks your âpeaceful and civilâ listing of things you feel are wrong with the BG. And I am still chuckling that you are arm in arm lockstep with one of the ONLY people on the forum who were arguing for this version of AV, and who in fact encouraged the defense tactic when it was brought up that this version would be a PVE race.
At this point all he wants is attention which he obviously doesnât get in real life
We already proved him wrong , he has no argument and is just going to keep replying with straw-mans .
What have you proven âwrongâ?
Do you even know what strawman means?
History is my argument. Have you disproved the history of AV?
How about Zyriusâ history of argung FOR this av version?
Yes , and thank you for being a prime example !
You lose because of time. Sure, you may dominate the horde in the way of an assault and make it to Drek. However, this might be done at the expense of defending against the horde assault. Thus they get to Van and kill him before you can kill Drek.
Now, youâll say âWell then defend!â Of course, defense is a good thing if youâre losing the race. However, defense isnât free and taking people off the offense could stop you from âdominating hordeâ and getting to Drek at all.
So, the situation is more complicated than you make it out to be. You can still dominate in one area and lose in another.
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Then you lost because you did not defend, not because of the map.
Why is alliance losing a race to the generals?
Still waiting to hear an explanation for why alliance was able to dominate AV during vanilla with this exact map.
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You can both lose from not defending and lose because of the map. Thereâs a lot of factors there and the map is certainly one of them.
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From my point of view, Acti/blizz could go out and make a dozen changes to the map in favor of alliance.
Moving the Horde cave back, removing the irrelevant Horde Towers in the base that donât even defend the flag, removing the back door entrance, taking away the entire left side of the map by Belindaâs Bunker, increasing the res cap to 40 at graveyards, pulling the graveyards so they are out in the open like the Horde ones, etc.
Wonât matter.
No geared 60âs or alliance pvp groups would ever set foot in AV. They are entirely reward driven; they get FAR better honor/hour stomping pugs all day in instant-queue AB/WSG and theyâve been exalted with stormpike from day 1.
The problem is still the players. Even if the AV map was incredibly skewed in favor of the Alliance like say if you had a giant juggernaut bridge with archers, or more easily defendable bunkers that you canât LoS archers with, or having a ton of elites and gaurds where the first pvp engagement was â youâd still lose.
The alliance would still lose every game because you know who queues for AV on alliance? Under geared alts, level 50âs, and those without 100% mounts. They are there to get a participation trophy and some rep rewards. They are not there to pvp.
Best case scenario is for alliance the map is buffed in their favor heavily so they do slightly more map objects for better rep/hour on their ultimate goal of getting exalted. Then proceed to never step foot in there again. They care about winning at most 1 game for the quest rewards, then leech rep.
So from my perspective, go ahead. Implement every AV change the alliance has been crying about for the past 6 months. It wonât change anything. It will just make the alliance feel better about losing, because at least they almost tried to win that time and it wasnât the maps insurmountable unfairness. It was just because the Horde are tryhards. No big deal â youâll just afk your way to victory in the next 15 seconds when AV pops.
exactly. my server was alliance dominated, but I didnât care all that much. I wanted a open world pvp experience and im happy I chose that along w/ all the pain that comes with it. now I win 90%+ of all my BGâs against pugs cause I picked a more pvp oriented faction. even with 3-4 hour queues for one AV, im still happy I picked horde this time. (was alliance from 06-19)
I was with you up to here. Characterizing valid complaints about win/loss rates and what might be done to correct them as âcryingâ is, in itself, childish.
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