So you are leveling up your character to 120 to have it reverted back to lvl 1 next expansion? So you collect mounts and pets to have that all reset back to 0 next expansion and you have to start over again? Do you know what literally is?
And if you say it won’t last forever as in this game will end and you won’t have it, that isn’t what this is about. This is about some things go you start at ‘x’ point and add to them you don’t lose your progress.
Take away the monk bonus if they want people on equal ground.
Except Microsoft doesn’t come into your home and take your Xbox One away when the Series X comes out. Your analogy doesn’t work here. If anything it supports the other side. Its more like how players already pay every expansion to upgrade their existing heirlooms. They’re paying to make them better, just like how you’d have to pay if you wanted the Series X. You could keep your Xbox One at the same time.
Except everyone knows that gear earned in a patch will be replaced in the future. No one believed the millions of gold they spent on corruptions would make that gear last into the next expansion. Heirlooms are different because they scale
Except the heirlooms don’t vanish after you’ve used them once. They are permanent. People bought them for ALL future characters to level faster, not just one.
Heirlooms were literally advertised as equipment that’d be relevant throughout WoW’s lifespan. BFA took away it’s power, and Shadowlands is taking away it’s experience boost. So yeah, we should get our gold back for all the upgrades we’ve put into them, since they’re no longer relevant in any content.
Edit: Like seriously, this isn’t comparable to the “borrowed power” mechanics like corrupted gear. A better comparison is definitely the vendor mounts people invested a lot of gold into the expansions they showed up. They’re expressly there to reward a gold sink, and it’d horrible if they removed say the mog vendor or AH vendor from their respective mounts. I’d hope a lot of you defending this wouldn’t defend that, but let’s be real, Ion Hazzikostas could come to your house infected with Covid, spit directly in your mouths, and you’d thank him for it.
The fact is you don’t reward someone with season tickets to the Patriots for being Employee of the Year, then take those tickets back midseason just because Corporate is deciding to rearrange the office layout. It’s understood that’s a reward for putting in the extra effort.
Don’t put words in my mouth, Blizzard is dumb as hell. They probably shouldn’t remove the heirloom xp bonus because now they’re going to have to deal with an army of screaming children, and it wasn’t going to hurt anything anyway by existing.
Not everyone has heirlooms. I’ve met more than a few through leveling who hadn’t upgraded their heirlooms at all.
Yes, leveling will be faster baseline, but it would be even faster with that AND the xp bonus from heirlooms. I’ve paid a small fortune to keep my heirlooms working at higher levels over the years, I feel like I at least deserve to level faster than the people who didn’t spend all that gold or w/e other currency.
If they left heirloom xp in they wouldn’t have to re-balance anything. Now it would take someone without heirlooms about 1 xpac to level, and someone with heirlooms about half of that.
Yeah and it would be even faster for those of us who have spent the gold, currency, etc on upgrading our heirlooms every xpac.
People trying to make this argument are hilarious. Its nowhere near the same thing. If you honestly expected your boe shield to be the same as an heirloom then I’m honestly not sure what to say to you.
That is the entire purpose of a beta. To voice opinion on something before it happens, so that if you don’t like it it will hopefully be changed before it ever goes live. Imagine if someone farted in your room and locked the door. Then when you complained about it they said “I don’t understand what the problem is, you haven’t even smelled it yet.” Doesn’t take a genius to know its going to smell bad, just like it doesn’t take a genius to know this change is dumb and completely unnecessary.
Currency upgrades aside from gold or honor is a new thing. In my case (and in the case of many other players who have been here since heirlooms launched in Wrath), I want back the 700,000+ gold I spent on my years and years worth of upgrades to my collection of 75 heirlooms.
No one cares about heirloom power, Blizz. We can use dungeon & questing gear to level for free. We want compensation for this insane gold dump!!!
The leveling experience needs to change. The game needs to attract new players. Heirlooms and a leveling experience slow enough that heirlooms don’t ruin it is punishing to new players.
The alternatives are: give all new players free heirlooms, or disable the exp bonus of heirlooms.
This isn’t much different from making pathfinder baseline. You get to use stuff when you get it, and any and all of it might disappear at a later time (even entire play styles). It’s all ephemeral.
My “opinion” is this change is dumb and shouldn’t make it to live. No, it doesn’t mean that they will change their mind, but if enough people say they don’t like something then it might. And thats the point.
By that logic a new player joining the game seeing someone at max level in full raid gear would be a problem too then. “Why is that guy better than me? Its not fair.”
There are certainly more than 2 solutions to this problem. They even already have a solution to leveling, they reduced the time it takes for everyone, new players and old. But that doesn’t mean they have to take away the extra bonus that heirlooms have.
If pathfinder cost 1M gold to get and then they made it baseline for everyone for fee later I would complain about it as well
You mean the thousands of people who haven’t upgraded their heirlooms. I’m just one player, and over the course of my time spent leveling alts I’ve ran into probably around 100 people that either didn’t have a full heirloom set or hadn’t fully upgraded them, or were just using the wrong gear just so they would gain the xp bonus. Going into a leveling dungeon as a healer and watching a warrior tank in full cloth heirlooms get 1 shotted by every mob was a pretty memorable experience for me.
I don’t know that I’ve ever looked at any levelling toon and not seen full heirlooms. I haven’t inspected every single under-120 character in the game, so I only have generalized disbelief at this whole idea, but I can’t really argue it that hard.
However, heirlooms are such an integral and prevalent part of the levelling experience that they’re just making the buff-- that everyone already has-- invisible. It’s literally just the removal of a few lines of text. Even being generous and saying there’s “thousands of players” without full heirlooms, they’re buffing, what, 1% of players? Less? Is it really that important that brand new players have their noses rubbed in the dirt?
