I’m trying to figure this out. I can’t seem to do particularly well. like it’s quite bad. Every dungeon I run, I’m eclipsed by every other class(i try looking/following the pre-raid bis lists. but many of them aren’t accessible for me just yet.?). I hear the rogue dev thinks this is a health spot for them, and i strongly question that decision.
What runes do you guys actually run in reals dungeons? and does FoK ever become a usable rune before nax energy resource? at which point why am I even running those still over raids.
Are there good methods of obtaining viable weapons’ outside the 10% chance it may drop from a once a week raid (slower 1h preferred). or the like 8% chance for dal’rends in ubrs.
is backstab really that much better for dungeons? even on quest mobs my mutilate passes it by a mile and a half. even with proper runes, and backstab talents (same talents as mutilate). the double hit on mutilate + auto instant poison critting with 4p t1 and occult + instant poison pair which is most of my output. But it’s virtually useless in dungeons outside bosses.
I’m trying to get this to work as I love rogues aesthetics. but I just can’t seem to get it to. my dps overall is a complete joke and i’m just carried every single run.
Look up and join the Simonized Discord. Lots of rogue stuff on there.
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rogue AOE is based entirely around sustain as is Mut/Saber dps so they are inherently pretty unusuable in 5mans with how fast they are (Mut in KC still pretty decent returns since targets live a bit longer and theres more packs with enough targets to enable FoK poison aoe). Backstab is recommended in vanilla dungeons because there is very little punishment to targetswap as you dont rely much on finishers (Cut to the chase>carnage in this instance) and its damage profile translates very well to blade flurry which is a much more noticeable cooldown on smaller packs. Below 6 targets dont even worry about having an AOE rotation just burn something/swap/repeat and flurry if its up.
*Grain of salt as I saw you are using T1 4P but may not have ZG set yet as that is what really ups the power of backstab spec. Mut may be better in the short term off poison scaling alone
then i guess SoD just isn’t for me. rogue is the only class that really has any draw for me aesthetically. maybe druid . . maybe.
but that same class just isn’t useful in dungeon content and only ST fights and raids. That content is the vast majority of what I seem to be doing as well. Guess it’s time to just admit that it won’t work and do something else.
ty anyway.
Rogues are single target masters, not aoe experts. Expect your damage to be lower than everyone else’s except on bosses.
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SoD dungeon content in general is pretty lackluster compared to other versions of the game just because 5man was never really retrofitted for actual endgame in Vanilla. Rogue has been the celebrated king of M+ (dungeon) utility & dps profile (Spriest and rdruid don’t get mad at me) for years in retail, our performance in SoD is more the exception than the rule.
which doesn’t solve dungeons. so my rogue is relegated to doing the infernal dailies, with occasional raids when i feel up to it.
he’s to useless in dungeons for much else.
If you’re a bad rogue, sure.
name a tool in rogues kit that comes even close to the AoE kit provided by others? and can be used to a reasonable degree outside extremely niche scenarios like obscene target counts? I can’t think of one.
FoK takes a high target count to be used, BB only hits 4 targets once every 15 seconds, and CT relies on them being bleedable and living for it’s full duration. Even that you want a sub build to amplify it by 30%, and that still loses in most scenarios. it’s used for niche soloing of things for the heal on large target counts paired with high evasion, not for the actual damage output.
what of that matches consecration/divine storm?, shadow bolt volley/hellfire? explosives trap & arrow? hurricane/starfall?, Blizzard/flamestrike? improved swipe. . . maybe it passes or matches warriors? and I’m not even certain there. they get blade flurry on a 30 second cd not 2 minutes just in the baseline kit.
It might be. Can’t hurt to try.