had me till
needs a nerf but no halved. Would kill them out completely.
I hate the immunity frames and their passive cleave single target damage.
Turn them back into demo warlocks, the original owners of Metamorphosis.
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Do you even play the game? M+ or pvp? They are absolutely over-represented in every facet of the game and require much less of a skill ceiling than pretty much any other class.
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I think all classes easy, ive heard monk and surv hunter are not, but ive never played those 2 specs. yes, I play the game, I have both ally and horde SP. Locks, DKs. boomkins, ele shaman, hunters, and,…Demon Hunters…I guess you could say I have been playing the game. Demon HUnter is not my favorite class, it is the most fun to play. but it does nothing I cant do on ANY other melee except for arms warrior. Since Legion class design,…range is not a lot of fun out in the world …mythic +…or just about anywhere else. My unholy dk can do anything the demon hiunter can do, sometimes better. Go thru every class,.almost all have a core 3 button rotation. What I see is Demon Hunter hate threads everyday that make me know this is a concentrated effort to knock down a class you guys don’t like. Demon Hunter is easy to be above avg, but some classes r just as easy and have a lot more potential. My opinion, I don’t bad mouth people on here like im some punk kid. I suppose most of you are just that and hopefully you will grow up some day.
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Unholy DK definitely has more than a 3 button rotation, but I’m assuming you’re just a DH alt trying to defend the class.
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A wise teacher once told me to never assume anything, it makes an azz out of u and me. assume…I have just as easy a time killing people on DK as I do on Demon Hunter. I think a lot of people have a hard time with Demon Hunters in that smurf booster bracket…I watch every thatsnotitchief video…he breaks it all down for you. We saw this big effort from the forum to nerf Warlocks, weve seen it to nerf Unholy DKs…its always something. Legion ruined class design, I favor range classes and the total game experience has not been to my liking since legion. I think everyone should be capable of holding their own anywhere in the game. Most range specs have no on demand burst, but the ones that do are the ones that people tend to play. Affliction has been ruined, SP plays like a spud and melee can sit 24/7 on everything but a mage. Tell me more about what needs nerfed.
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I was referring to the spell that’s similar to Killing Spree where you zig-zag between targets. I know its immune to stuns and physical attacks
I agree with you
These bad players will look for anything but themselves why they are getting smoked
Look at M+ , low dps ignore mechanics “carry me” crowd are the first to rage quit and blame other’s
Same with low rated player’s
People - especially alliance - seem unable to play.
Nobody stuns - Which is DH’s biggest weakness.
Nobody interrupts
Nobody uses any CC
Nobody focuses X target (Example; Healers)
It’s the same in PvE, you can literally tell people in say Atal’Dazar LFG; “Totems have to die at same time. If yours is at less HP than any other totem, stop hitting it until all are equal.” —
And they still fail.
Been in 2 groups the past 3 days for LFG where people fail it over and over and over, standing at same boss over 10min cause they don’t know how to stop hitting their buttons.
I’ve lost faith in humanitys IQ levels, as it just seems to go down every year.
People just can’t do the most simple of tasks, and seems AFK or hit only 1 button and nothing else when they play this game, - be it PvE or PvP.
So yeah, TLDR:
DH = Stun = GG.
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Statistically speaking, the overall calculated IQ of humanity has actually increased by over 30 points in the last few decades. This is known as the Flynn effect.
The “die to a stun” argument is weak and has been used to defend every broken class from 5.1 Demonology to WoD Frost DKs to 8.2 Destro Licks. Anything dies to a stun if they burned all their defensives, have no trinket and are not being healed. Completely one dimensional statement that does not take into account the reality of PvP situations. It should not be controversial to say that DHs are one of the simplest and most effortless classes to perform well in random BGs, raids and Mythic dungeons. Everyone hates playing against them in both rated 2s and 3s. People hate them because almost all their self sustain and cleave is baked into their single target rotation and their extremely fast output makes them an even greater beneficiary of Corruption traits than most classes.
Belittling other people for “not knowing how to play” is a poor defense when even the top 1% of players agree that Demon Hunter is mechanically broken in a way that is not reflected on ladder representation.
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It happens when groups are made with vastly differently geared DPS. Some of the passives procs can’t even be stopped .
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Calling out a person’s lack of skill is a good thing. It helps them (hopefully) improve
Please link qoutes (at least 4) of these top 1% of players saying this
Go to arena forums. Ask: Do any top players actually think Demon Hunters are OP. Within several weeks, if not at least 4 multiglads respond saying yes they are, then I will give you 1000 gold
In this thread alone, there are multiple duelists and gladiators saying DH is stupid. The few defenders of the class are instantly ridiculed.
At the end of last season, Pikaboo raged on stream even though he is known for rarely ever tilting because he lost to a DH/DK comp which he perceived as playing very badly but won due to the absurd damage output and self sustain of the classes.
You can ignore this example if you want as this was in legion, but the historically greatest Dk player ever, Mes switched to demon hunter for Blizzcon and won. Guess what comp he ran? Double Demon Hunter. He had to apologise after winning. I mention this because the same gameplay mechanics that made DH absurd back then persist to this day, while exacerbated by corruption traits.
I will make the claim that the people who say “DHs are only problematic for bad players” are generally terrible themselves. My anecdotal experience has demonstrated this this true at least this far. They make asinine comparisons and fallacous arguments that reflect a very rudimentary level of gameplay.
The person I responded to did not directly criticise anyone. He made a sweeping statement about overall player incompetence while demonstrating no superior performance or knowledge of his own. That is why I called out his post.
However, let’s not get off topic. Do you not believe demon hunters are overturned? Please provide your reasoning and we can discuss it.
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like you please see that same link you gave me who already expressed why they are not OP
also for this quote
not one of the top 1% agree that DH is mechanically broken
key words yeah
Thinking of blade dance, and it gives 100% dodge during the attack.
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I think my biggest complaint is how durable Havoc is. When your mobility is so far beyond everyone else’s and retreat is always an option for survival, you absolutely do not deserve the durability that this spec enjoys.
Then there’s the fact that in addition to their over-the-top mobility, Havoc gets to choose between a ranged, multi-target snare and a ranged, 4 second stun while also having a baseline ranged interrupt and ranged incapacitate.
You can’t punish a DH for over-extending because of the combination of being so durable and also being able to retreat at any point.
You can’t choose to flee from a DH, even with use of CC and mobility cooldowns, because their inherent mobility is so far beyond everyone else’s and is supported by undeserved ranged control.
The mobility, double jump, and Metamorphosis are what make the class fun. There is a LOT that can be toned down to bring DH back down to reality without encroaching on those core factors that make it fun.
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Are you seriously this dumb or are you trolling? There’s a thread in the top of arena forums talking about how broken DHs are, and yes What Metarune was saying about Pika and Mes is correct.
Stop trying to defend a broken class, and stop hiding behind an alt.
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they are op in a bg environment, much easier to succeed on them than other dps
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the free dodge needs to go.
Blur need at least a 1.5 min CD.
Leech during meta needs to be prob cut to 20% tops.
if they fixed up those 3 things i think they would still be strong but not absurd.
A DH is my primary alt.
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