How to make the right vault choices as tank?

raidbots is nice for dps but what about tanks? Im very torn between a direct veteran to hero upgrade for the exact item (so a pure ilvl upgrade) or upgrading an explorer trinket to a champion trinket. (different trinket)

I just dont know what to do :thinking:

(this is for guardian druid btw)

xmog > everything else

:yum:

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Literally the theme of my entire life… :weary:

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Think about how replaceable each item is, champion track is still pretty low so it’s unlikely you’ll be keeping it too long. Hero is at least one below myth. Trinkets are however also hard to quantify / replace if they’re especially good. I’d suggest going into more detail and saying exactly what the items you’re replacing / gaining would be.

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Personally, I would wait until you finish your normal weekly activities before taking your vault item. This prevents you from picking a vault item, only to have something similar/better dropping from a raid/dungeon a day later.

Just remember this key rule

Basically every tank trinket is horrible except the fyrakk one so never open vault as tank

I’d lob anything below Hero. :dracthyr_love_animated: We can’t really offer advice without the specifics, though.

champion track is second highest?

is it a weapon of higher ilvl? check
is it a trinket of higher ilvl? Check
if it is none of the above is it’s ilvl higher than what im wearing? check.
does it have verse? check.

just stack verse.

Myth track is highest, then hero, then champion.

And again to have any idea we need to actually know what the trinkets are. Some trinkets are really bad and not worth using regardless of ilvl difference.

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so your feedback for guardian druid is better weapon better trinket in that order?

yeah. like if you have a choice between good weapon, good trinket or good gear, gear comes last… get weapon get trinkets. the only time “gear” comes first is if you have tier, but only if its myth tier, as you can get hero tier from catalyst.

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here’s my simc for my druid, post that into raidbots and it’ll show you all my gear and my vault choices.

Well, I’d say it depends on the trinket in question. There are some DPS trinkets, as well as the Cheat Death trinket from Galakrond’s Fall, that are really desirable and that you’d definitely want to chase high-ilvl versions of.

The only to sims I’m aware of are Raidbots (which is a nice front-end for Simulation Craft) and AskMrRobot (AMR).

Simulation Craft only supports DPS while AMR support simulation for DPS, tanks, and healers. However, AMR will cost you $12/year (used to be free) while Raidbots is still free (it has premium pricing tiers to get reduce wait times in the queue).

I think you can still run a guardian druid spec in Raidbots, but it will only optimize DPS and it will not consider anything that improves your damage mitigation/survival (unless that also increases DPS).

You could also lookup Best-in-Slot gear lists on Wowhead and/or Icy Veins for a feel of what stats / trinkets are preferred and whether tier bonuses are of high value for your class/spec. You have a hero-track gloves in the vault that could be converted to tier with the catalyst. The trinket could be nice if haste is good for gDruid. Probably I’d pick one of those two.

In my humble opinion, opening vault as tank can be good for weapons, which can no longer be crafted to be equal for vault loot, like in S2. Thus, if you’re looking for tank weapons, and you don’t have hero already, tank spec for weapons alone may be the way to go for some tank builds - thinking the sword n’ board kinds.

But, in general, I agree. The weapon change is what’s making this season feel more like past M+ seasons in that, I really don’t want tank trinkets because one of the better survival ones - the cheat death from Fall - is good even as a maxed out champ one (476 iLevel), because a cheat death is a cheat death.

In this particular example they’re a guardian druid, so should be opening their vault as feral pretty much exclusively.

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Apparently my perception stat needs bolstering…

Legs get my vote, shell isn’t really that good. However nothing here is irreplaceable if you’re going to be doing 18s at some point this season so I wouldn’t worry all that much.

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Oh right, some tanks don’t just use a 2h

I’ve been a DK forever, genuinely forgot some people would possibly want a shield lol

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