Don’t get me wrong I’m getting used to this SL versión of the DH but with many classes getting a lot of abilities back example Warrior/Feral/lock it feels bad for DH to lose core abilities/procs, we were never a class with many options to begin with.
We need back our dodge of Blade dance, only melee had to deal with it and to be honest only casual players had a problem because competitive players always saved their stuns or burst to use it after the dodge.
Demonic needs to be baseline and back to 8 secs. The fantasy of turning into a demon to boost your damage is what makes this class attractive it gave us time to land 2 Death Sweep’s.
First blood baseline, I don’t think I really need to explain why.
Darkness usable while stunned, we all know our biggest problem is a stun I think having a 3 min cd to save yourself from a lockdown isn’t crazy, many classes have similar effects.
Those things are imho the things DH will need to be better without being broken or going crazy, we still lost all of our borrowed power that made us difficult to deal in 1v1 situations.
What are your opinions?
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Demonic will probably go baseline eventually these expansion are 100% them long term testing out talents and abilities because we always get stuff everyone loved as talents we just haven’t had as long as everyone else to get Material so just be patient. There’s no doubt first blood will go baseline too. And most likely gonna get the hunt as a talent post shadowlands which might even be the demonic replacement. But I will say I 100% agree about darkness being usable during a stun. The only real immediate change I think we need is baseline leech it’s doesn’t have to be much but we’re unplayable without some leech especially since I believe every single class in the game at this point has a usable heal except dh especially since it’s our only means of sustain. They don’t need to give us a lot or even an increase during meta but there most certainly needs to be some so where less of a burden on healers for arenas.
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I would like to see Blade Dance at least trigger a 2 or 3 second Blur and maybe a 20% dodge chance increase along with it.
It makes sense to if you think about the animation of Blade Dance. Kind of looks like a ‘blur’ and you could see thematically how an opponent wouldn’t be able to get anything but maybe a glancing blow. Would be nice. Doubt they will do it.
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Having a 100 % dodge every 5-9 seconds is broken design. It needed to be removed as a baseline effect in blade dance. There was little skill in accidentally dodging abilities because you just happened to press your offensive rotational ability
You can land two death sweeps in a single demonic window in shadowlands. Were you not aware of this?
Darkness being off the gcd would be a far more reasonable ask. Being able to use it while stunned would lower our skill cap. Pressing a darkness in anticipation of the swap is a skilled play.
Also, we have a darkness legendary. I suggest you use it if you’d like the option of darkness being used while stunned
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That effect triggers automatic you are not in control of it, also no one will use that legendary ever when you have colective Anguish
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Okay, so you’re not in favor of it proc’ing passively, but you are in favor of the crutch of it being able to be cast while stunned? Skill wise, there is no difference. Like I said, removing it from the GCD is a much more reasonable ask.
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DH needs more survivability tools in this meta. They could have everything they had in BFA and they would still be weak. Unless the damage of every other melee gets tuned down your just a worse warrior or DK and DK isnt even good rn.
Every comp is also just better off with something other than a DH, they dont bring anything useful anymore.
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? We lost none of our comp utility and gained an AoE MS.
Mind explaining your rationality behind this statement?
Though yes, I wouldn’t mind a few more survivability tools
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I’d really just like to see the other covenants gain some healing effects other than night fae and get at least 10% leech baseline in meta. I think the leech removal (nerf to 10% sure) was over kill when combined with all the other defensive nerfs. I could write a treatise on our damage dealing design but that really isn’t the problem for dh in pvp right now. Dark off gcd would be nice too but it is in line with bubble and other large defensives as it isn’t really like blur which is off it.
We need more baselines or new passives. We should also start the fight at max fury to make our sustain and burst better. I also believe we should get atleast vision of perfection baseline aswell.
our leech needs to be 10% base and an additional 20% in meta on the talent. EZ fix and it really keeps us where we are. Also, 8 seconds back on demonic pls.
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I think you right on point here with your observation.
Even if DH had all their abilities back from BFA, they would still be struggling just based on the fact others classes essentially got ‘buffs’ in the form of abilities given to them.
It’s a double insult. DH lost important vital survivability abilities, at the very same time other classes GAINED them. The has had a pretty noticeable effect on DH this go around.
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I agree it’s an insult other class were unpruned and ours got gutted because we never had a lot in first place
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WWs have 2 times the damage and a little more survivability (also having 100% parry chance on fists). DKs have more damage, grip, chains slow spam, abom limb, an aoe stun, aoe blind, and more/stronger defensives. Warriors have more damage, a flat 20% damage reduction, intervene, banner, big MS, aoe slow, rally, bladestorm ms, aoe physical fear and unescapable kyrian spear.
DH was brought for how long it lived, and its good sustained damage. Now the class just flops harder than a caster if you even go near a melee, and its damage is below average (outside of the hunt). The only team utility you have is big dark, and reverse, dark isn’t powerful anymore for a 3 minute cd. MS is also a joke since every comp a DH plays with other than DH/spriest, DH/boomy, and DH/DK already had one, but warrior, dk or WW, is better with those classes as well.
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Eye Beam should give MS effect not Fel Rush
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One idea could be.
Baseline:Soul Rending(but 5% / 10% meta.) , First Blood and Demonic.
I like changing in demonform often so ill never pick momentum over it.
That is the fantasy of the class, it’s the reason I play because I like turning into a badass demon.
At this point, the only thing the DH class might get is a small 3-5% aura buff at best.
Don’t think so tbh eventually we will get a fix but still I hope we get more baseline stuff rather than just damage buff
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