How does one decide when a game is ‘bad’? Is it the fact that it has only 1-2 million active subs? THat seems like a pretty solid number. Is it because Rashiko says so? If that’s the case, it’s a pretty harsh bar, one that is pretty limited in success potential really.
I’m not going to judge whether the game is bad or not, but it has a pretty decent subscriber base for a specialized MMO. So I would say that’s still successful, especially in a market with an increasing number of good, specialized competitors.
1-2 million people are playing this game. That’s ‘people playing your game’ - so by your metric, the game is good.
In order for them to get more, they have to STEAL PLAYERS from other MMOs. People who are happily playing those MMOs and consider those MMOs good. In order to do that, they have to be BETTER at what those MMOs do than them. So they’d have to do better action combat than Guild Wars. They’d have to do better JRPG-style narrative and social systems than FFXIV. They’d have to do better open-ended player-driven economic systems and space combat than Eve. etc. etc. etc.
There are a lot of games out there that have specialized audiences. ESO, Genshin Impact, Blade and Soul, Neverwinter, Runescape, LotRO, TOR, BDO, etc. Those are all good games, with specific focuses that tailor to their own audiences well. There are so many MMOs that it’s logical that the audiences of each one would be smaller than WoW had in Wrath days when most of the games that were out were much less specialized and much worse than they are nowadays.
So how do you expect Blizzard to take the happy players from those games?
This only deserves a “LOL” in response, because it’s such a weak argument made by people with nothing else to say. Pay me triple what the blizzard designers make and I’ll consider it.
When your sub count is in a death spiral, beloved features are removed with nothing to replace them and most people see the game’s current features as a downgrade from a 10 year old version of itself.
This whole “lulsubjective” argument has never worked, the quality of a game can be objectively measured.
It’s not ‘my metric’, especially when you consider that the game has lost so many people and is still losing people.
You keep trying to build a strawman and it’s only failing over and over again, take a breath and stop.
Why are you assuming they are mutually exclusive? If WoW appeals to people, they might just get the urge to play it.
Problem is, WoW is a generic garbage fire right now with no real identity.
This could also be a sign of an increasingly competitive marketplace. If Bob is the only person sellnig cookies, then everyone who wants cookies will buy from them so they’ll have a huge market regardless of the type of cookies they’re selling. If 10 other people start selling cookies of different types from what Bob is selling, Bob’s quality doesn’t have to go down for his market share to go down.
WoW has an identity. It’s the competitive MMO. It’s the MMO focused on competitive content.
There is no debate to be had, you are wrong here. Anything else you say to dispute this is inherently wrong and will be ignored.
“The competitive MMO”, really? That’s the best you got? Alright, I’ll bite, How do you quantify that? Other ones have raids, other ones have PVP, but they also have more world content to offer. How does WoW in it’s current state stand out from say, MoP in 5.4?
Please describe to me how one objectively measures game quality?
I am genuinely curious which universal objective measures you can use to make an accurate objective measure of game quality?
(Everyone who makes this argument always fails to follow through with an explanation of how one does this… so I don’t actually expect you to reply.)
Things like Mythic+, MDI, arena world championships, etc.
They’re focusing more effort into esports and competitive content. Now whether it’s working or not, that’s up to interpretation. I know some people who are really happy with it and others who aren’t. But it’s very clearly their primary goal. They want the game to be focused on things like world first, things like rated pvp, things like mythic+.
Tell me you don’t know what tit for tat means without telling me you don’t know what tit for tat means. Also I’m not a big stickler for spelling but typing a word in all caps multiple times throughout a post and misspelling it every time makes you look stupid. It’s consistency. Browsers literally have built-in spellcheck. It does the work for you. Just how??
