Venruki just looted an Arena Master, then joins a friend groups and loots a second Arena Master. Clever use of in game mechanics …
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And your point is?
its a tip! … if your chasing down arena master … you can use this to get more faster
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OMG imagine that, layering can be exploited. That was a thing in Vanilla (not).
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Agree w/ the comments that suggest that changing layers should only happen if in a rested zone or capital city—form you group, enter rested, and THEN you can phase—and never otherwise.
Also, hi Ethna!
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Oh ok you just need a reliable way to juml to that other layer and no competition on that layer…
I mean I remember getting my 12 wins, I was doing it with CRZ addons made to help you jump shards, on content that is completely out of date and so far less in demand and It was incredibly difficult to get multiple chests and only managed it like twice both times at like 3am or 6am.
But ya in a game that has less layers than there were servers and with no addons or LFG to reliably switch layers and doing it in a zone which will be current content I am sure someone will get an extra trinket so they get there 12 wins a little bit faster…
Man if it wasnt for you guys pointing out how terrible layering actually is, we would never know how ruinous this would be to the classic experience.
I guess we should just not do anything so we have way more servers than we actually need so then they are all super empty after a few weeks and we have to merge them meaning your economy and community gets completely destroyed and everyone has to change names or we just have loads of dead realms.
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I know this will turn into a STREAMERS ARE THE DEVIL thread but Venruki doing this is a great public service. The more high-profile instances of players getting away with stuff like this, the better.
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This is a very interesting idea. I like it.
The coding behind layering must be incredibly complex, and I cannot imagine the effort they are putting into making it work. I just hope they can pull it off.
Tips was talking about layer jumping to get ahead of the pack on day one. And this is why you need people outside the dev team looking at things like this, because players will ALWAYS come up with ways around your efforts to keep them from doing something.
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Absolutely. The worst thing would be for someone to do this in private and never show it. Showing it publicly or talking about it like TIpsout and layer jumping to level are the best things they can do.
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Blizzard has known since day one how badly this will be exploited. They just don’t care.
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Disgusting ![:nauseated_face:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/nauseated_face.png?v=6" ":nauseated_face:")
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We started with “sharding only for the beginner zone for a couple weeks”, then “layering affects entire continent you will not even notice it but we’ll remove it after phase 1”, now we have straight up sharding everywhere. Don’t forget that we’ve seen people from the alpha server pop on the level 30 capped server which means it’s also cross-server, at least for now.
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Remove the streamer name. The moderators will probably nuke this thread if you don’t, which is a shame, because it actually contains useful information.
They’re going scorched earth on streamer discussion around here.
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Then you better remove realm chat and replace it with layer chat otherwise it’s no longer possible to group outside of cities…
Or instead of layers you have servers that are bound to merge if player mumbers drop and names cant double for those?
And then you shard lvl 1- ~15 on them and youre good?
People also tend to forget that if player numbers do not drop, that layering has to stay for as long as people dont leave or they would create mega servers with private server lvl’s of players on them (10k+) or even worse.
Layering and sharding are both systems that work against the fundamentals of wow classic each and every second they’re active.
Blizzard really should reconsider if their greed is worth more than the success of classic.
Because people will leave the game over this. 100%.
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Stuff like this absolutely can’t be happening when Classic goes live. Really hope Blizzard doesn’t just ignore things like this.
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The only reason we’re getting layering is Money. Apparently paying for the game isn’t a good enough reason to have enough servers for the players paying to play it.
The better solution is to group up multiple servers to prevent duplicate names and merge as necessary later when the tourists leave. Or just put Classic on a separate subscription to keep them out from the start.
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People always looking for the easy way out. If you want the trinket just be smart about the tactics of getting one. I claimed 2 of them without help, just for this toon when they were still relevant.
This is more about the way it works in general.
One of the most powefull pillars of classic is the immersion of the game.
Do you remember the times when using hearthstone or a portal on one continent would teleport you without any loading screen?
Blizzard even advertised that back in the vanilla days. All that for the sake of immersion as it was clearly a design choice.
In the beta and live game this doesnt apply anymore. Loadin screen when hearthing on the same continent.
And layering on top as a way way more disruptive element to immersion.
Blizzard is actually really trying to hurt that aspect of the game cause it costs them less.
And people are cheering them on for it.
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WoW Classic Dev Team,
I know you do care how gamebreaking this is. I’ve fought to keep any type of sharding out of Vanilla because it puts (Vanilla) gameplay second and it creates economy-breaking exploits like this and destroys immmersion in Vanilla WoW:
You worked hard to develop another solution. Layering is a step in the right direction. But while it reduces the frequency of sharding, it still allows exploits like this.
BTW, many thanks to Venruki (and Monkeynews and other streamers) who have recorded the massive problems like this when using Layering.
BTW, here is Monkeynews’ recording of exploiting mining between layers while re-logging.
Reddit link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/bsaewr/layering_is_fine_guys_dont_worry/
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