In addition to being able to highlight/quote portions of other individuals’ posts, it might be useful to have a way to generally highlight/emphasize/like specific portions of posts, in order to make it easier to differentiate the aspects which are actually important.
It’d be nice to be able to easily jump to more liked posts, and/or highlighted/liked portions of posts, if such a feature were to be implemented.
Going off of what “Dirtyboy” said in that discussion, it seems as though the current flag/remove system is overutilized/overpenalizing.
My personal approach would be to implement “scaling, score” systems, perhaps “1-5,” or “1-10” as far as how much people like certain things, as well as something similar for how much something should be removed.
It might also be useful to better provide individuals with exactly why their discussions are removed. I get that that can potentially further encourage circumvention, but in my experience at least, it seems necessary, as I consistently keep having my discussions removed, and said discussions are sometimes hundreds of posts long, with lots of nuance, which seems completely lost, especially on those who tend to overemphasize individual portions of posts (straight up refusing to read other portions), or even my name, which is meant to be part of a parody, you can even look at the names of my pets.
Without at least some of the above changes, it seems impossible to adequately convey nuanced changes, which really could potentially benefit the most players, such as more choice nodes for passive & active abilities, with both tuned relatively the same, accounting for GCD, so that people like Marcelian Online, Maximum of Team Liquid, or myself, can still enjoy complexity, even in really, overly-pruned specs, like Fire Mage on the alpha.
I have no idea what you mean by this. Could you give an example of what you would like to see?
Same with #2
It is only over utilized by trolls, who get their answer by the Mods. It’s been my experience that the mods will take action on egregious posts.
Keep in mind the system will also tell you your post was removed and will be subject to Penalties, even if the Mod did not take action on your post, but rather the thread as a whole.
That is an Upvote/Downvote system, which can lead to even more toxicity.
Speaking as someone who has been actioned plenty, you can tell why your post was removed by thinking logically.
I would like to end this post by stating I was permanently actioned during the Great Flight Debate. It is only by virtue of the Forums being re-done am I able to be here now. (Which I fully acknowledge I was 100% rightly actioned for).
Yep, also, if a thread was actioned, it’s normally not a good idea to instantly reboot that thread, or attempt to reboot it later under a slightly different title.
Just like you did here, where you quoted parts of my posts, I’d like for that to actually mark the corresponding parts of my post itself, so that others can more easily see what other people think is important, as again, when discussions become hundreds of posts long, more highlighters of significance are invaluable.
As I mentioned, people look at just my name for instance, or only part of my posts and instantly start flagging my posts, no context/nuance “necessary,” no attempts to even read anything else, and they proudly, blatantly proclaim such.
I get that nuance means “negativity,” which is kind of a “scary” thing these days, but if you can’t provide accurate feedback in its entirety, it will take MUCH longer to correct problems.
Again, as far as being able to tell WHY an action was taken, my discussions which are removed are HUNDREDS of posts long, so I really have no idea.
People do so because its better to quote than leave people guessing what part of the post I am referring to.
I, for one, never look at someone’s name…and that gets me into trouble sometimes. I go based on what I read, not who says it.
Back in WoD, there was a push by the Devs to remove flight wholly in all future releases. We the Player Base rose up against that, and now we have SkyRiding.
Right, I’m not criticizing that feature, I’d like for it to be expanded upon.
I’m appreciative that even though I’m not necessarily a fan of your comments sometimes, you at least contribute in a positive manner, again, as opposed to a LOT of people who have trolled/flagged my discussions completely unjustifiably.
How do we rise up this time and get better cinematics, less timegating/increasing/capped crests/costs, optional active/passive spec rotations, less bugs, dinars like they were in Dragonflight, etc.?
Alright, despite you and Carhagen basically saying it’s “not a good idea to instantly reboot” a thread, I’m just going to keep doing so I guess, as again, I can’t tell why my stuff gets removed, and/or if it was JUSTIFIABLY removed to begin with, so it really does seem like a “sweat”/numbers game.
I’ll keep encouraging people to go read the comments on Wowhead, as they tend to be more accurate than the articles themselves, especially with regard to upcoming changes on the alpha.
I mean, I guess I’ll add that to my list of problems with the forums, where basically you have to get a certain amount of engagement in order to get more engagement, so it’s a “snowball” effect.
If you personally can tell that your posts are spam, cool, I really can’t though, there’s a lot of different/additional information that arises in my discussions, so again, I can’t personally tell why they get removed.
Right, but there are a LOT of factors that determine whether or not a thread will even get traction, including whether or not the title is interesting, so again, as I mentioned previously as well, the forums are set up in such a way that they HEAVILY incentivize a “sweat”/numbers game, and I think that some of my proposed/potential changes might help with that, but if you can think of better ways to address such problems, I’m all ears.
this new hide a thread if it gets flagged needs to be removed. all it does is hand power into the hands of people who want to bully others. i.e. someone with alts who doesnt care about being permabanned can basically use their alts to hide up to lets see…65x3=195
thats 108 threads at once. per account. that can be hidden. if someone is feeling really fiesty. there is absolutely NO WAY THIS WILL EVER BE ABUSED.
no wait. 65 remainder of 2
2x65=130. 130/3= 43
no wait i was wrong 108 threads.
and if you think someone isnt going to eventually do that.
Yeah, that’s basically why I think my posts get removed. I’ve seen a handful of individuals straight up say so, that they’re going to mess with me just because of my name.
Yep. I’ve had posts removed for trolling plenty of times. It might be something I’ve said with sincerity, but when it leads to upset people, then fair enough. Best just remove it.
It’s worth noting as well that a post removed doesn’t necessarily mean a strike against you. As I said, I’ve had plenty deleted. Even had a suspension. But then my trust level has remained unchanged.
Perverse incentives are definitely a thing, I studied them at Berkeley. You can try to encourage people to behave “morally,” but most will default to whatever is in their eyes more “logical”/easier.
TBF, it’s entirely possible that mods might not look into context/nuance either. In one of my removed discussions, a “community” council member straight up said that they didn’t need to engage with what I had to say.
You can get that message of your “Your post was flagged and removed” simply because one person flagged your Post, but the thread itself broke ToS/CoC in some fashion. The system will tell you, you might be penalized, but you will not be.
Right, I don’t really care as much whether I’m penalized. I can wait however long it takes to be able to discuss things again, but what bothers me a LOT is that there really are some AMAZING takes that arise in discussions, and it’s sad to no longer be able to access said insights.
In one of my removed discussions regarding the pruning of Fire Mage, and lackluster current state of Shadow Priest, there were multiple individuals who spent time providing really detailed analyses/feedback for both.