Just make holy wrath & exorcism work on all types of enemy but not affect player characters. It's an easy fix that will make pally dps better in pve but stay the same as they were in vanilla in pvp. Put this thing into a deep ret talent so it will require people to spec deep in ret to be able to dps.
A good spot is add it with two-hand weapon specialization making it so that by putting talents into it all hostile aside from players and undeads(since they are already affected by the default version) to be affected by the dmg and effects of the spells effectiveness by 33%/66%/100%.
I doubt they would even do this so im just throwing out ideas
since too many of you dont actually read the forum and only read the OP here you go to explain a bit of my reasoning because this change wont make ret stronger than pure dps; clearly most of you people didnt play vanilla nor know anything about naxx.
or they just go oom that much faster. seriously. and this isn't going to increase there dps all that much anyway.
by the way. what part of vanilla wow do people not understand?
pally are not suppose to be as good as pure dps class so this fix is only putting them where they are at in naxx raids. And what is wrong with pally having to manage mana to dps they shouldnt be able to spam all their spells if they could do that then it would kill the purpose of the hybrid tax.
In vanilla pally was able to do what I suggested while in naxx and they didnt out dps pure, so what is wrong with making it so they can do it at the start. This isnt going to upset the pvp balance that is set in place.
Just make holy wrath & exorcism work on all types of enemy but not affect player characters. It's an easy fix that will make pally dps better in pve but stay the same as they were in vanilla in pvp. Put this thing into a deep ret talent so it will require people to spec deep in ret to be able to dps.
A good spot is add it with two-hand weapon specialization making it so that by putting talents into it all hostile aside from players and undeads(since they are already affected by the default version) to be affected by the dmg and effects of the spells effectiveness by 33%/66%/100%.
I doubt they would even do this so im just throwing out ideas
Paladin DPS does not need to be fixed. If anything they need to have raid utility added to stress the fact that they are a HYBRID class. I am going to play paladin and I never expect to do the damage of a pure dps class. it doesnt make sense. However, if they wanted to give rets more of an incentive to be taken to raids it wouldnt upset me. Pigeonholing the classic Paladin class for DND into healing is pretty silly, but truthfully that was accurate vanilla. At the very most make it so they provide a raid buff that enables them to be viable. They do not need a dps increase.
or they just go oom that much faster. seriously. and this isn't going to increase there dps all that much anyway.
by the way. what part of vanilla wow do people not understand?
pally are not suppose to be as good as pure dps class so this fix is only putting them where they are at in naxx raids. And what is wrong with pally having to manage mana to dps they shouldnt be able to spam all their spells if they could do that then it would kill the purpose of the hybrid tax.
In vanilla pally was able to do what I suggested while in naxx and they didnt out dps pure, so what is wrong with making it so they can do it at the start. This isnt going to upset the pvp balance that is set in place.
or they just go oom that much faster. seriously. and this isn't going to increase there dps all that much anyway.
by the way. what part of vanilla wow do people not understand?
pally are not suppose to be as good as pure dps class so this fix is only putting them where they are at in naxx raids. And what is wrong with pally having to manage mana to dps they shouldnt be able to spam all their spells if they could do that then it would kill the purpose of the hybrid tax.
In vanilla pally was able to do what I suggested while in naxx and they didnt out dps pure, so what is wrong with making it so they can do it at the start. This isnt going to upset the pvp balance that is set in place.
oh sorry. i thought you were one of those people like akaidian who is all "Hybrids should be super competitive with pures"
Paladin DPS was fine in dungeons. The reason they weren't deaired in raids is because you don't need hybrids in a raid. With 20/40 people you bring enough dedicated rolls.
Paladin DPS was fine in dungeons. The reason they weren't deaired in raids is because you don't need hybrids in a raid. With 20/40 people you bring enough dedicated rolls.
In a 5man having a hybrid could be beneficial.
5mans hybrids are amazing.
Emergency side heals whenever healer oom or tank pulls a few too many mobs.
I agree with you OP but wasted breath on these forums. Only thing we can really do is roll warrior and revel in the shortage of healer. When you see someone spam "LF1M HEALZ" more than 3 times in an hour right click report them for the spam it is. If they don't like it they can suck it up and roll as a healer themselves. We'll see if they still think "hybrids are fine" then. Won't take long before they start making buff Pally threads themselves.
not having an in-combat resurrection or instant-cast full heal they can "fix" druid and paladin DPS or tanking issues. Until then you'll have to deal with the "different classes are different" paradigm just like everyone else.
It's amazing people can see what blizzard has done to the game, yet still whine they want changes to classic. If you don't like paladin, don't play paladin....
If I were to have designed it myself, I would have done just about that.
Half the damage of Exorcism. Allow use on all targets. Double damage against Demon/Undead.
It solves a lot of issues. Ret gets a 'Strike' they desperately wanted and patches up their dps just a little, maybe even starts to favor paladin gear more since it scales Spell Power. Prot gets an unconditional pulling tool and a little more consistent threat. Holy gets to solo a bit better. On the PvP side, a half damage exorcism on a 15 sexond cooldown adds some burst, but not enough to make Ret over the top or a Shockadin more than a quirk.
But its not happening. This is Classic. Campaign for a separate Classic+ server, or better yet Wow2.
Can we stop trying to "fix" things that don't need to be fixed? I was a hunter all the way through vanilla. Never got deterred by the poor damage scaling and eventual falling behind of other dps classes in late raiding. Should I be asking Blizz to "fix" hunters as well? Then every other class can be "fixed" and the game will be completely different.
No one is forced to roll any particular class. Find one that you don't think needs to be "fixed" and make the best of it.
I agree with you OP but wasted breath on these forums. Only thing we can really do is roll warrior and revel in the shortage of healer. When you see someone spam "LF1M HEALZ" more than 3 times in an hour right click report them for the spam it is. If they don't like it they can suck it up and roll as a healer themselves. We'll see if they still think "hybrids are fine" then. Won't take long before they start making buff Pally threads themselves.
So, just to get this straight, you want ret to have better dps, BUT you are implying that you'll be healing if you get it. And if ret doesn't get better dps then you won't be a pally at all?
Sadly, makes about the right amount of sense for these forums.