The thing of it is when we’re told something’s time sensitive, that should be honored. Everybody knew when challenge modes were brought in, they would be time sensitive and removed. Everybody knew the same thing in WoD. Everybody knew the same thing in Legion involving the mage towers.
And every time, people had two years, or a year and a half to get it done. I didn’t do WoD CM’s. Do I regret it? Sure. Do I have anyone to blame other than myself? No. Should they come back just because I didn’t do them? Of course not.
When we’re told “this is time sensitive, make sure you go do it”, there is zero reason or cause for it to ever come back.
As someone who does have a lot of the time-exclusive stuff, I wouldn’t mind if they brought them back somehow. It’d probably be tough to bring back the challenge modes as they were specifically as it was a totally different game in those days, but I wouldn’t mind a similar challenge existing today.
No because that means the effort people put into to getting them was pointless as well as why even do anything in this game if you can just get it at a later point. When I see something I want and I know it’s excursive aka elite sets or w/e I go and get them. As should you and anyone else. I told anyone I played with in Legion. If you enjoy a class even some what go get the mage tower wep so you can have them if you decide to main it. Same with cmodes. Give the ones that earned the cmode armor the recolors and make brand new unique armor sets. so you know DHs can have a set.
I’m sure you realize that given the context and title of the thread, the focal point is on CM/Mage tower.
Though i’m not sure how being a good shadow priest would help for the disc/holy challenge, i guess that’s something only priest players can answer.
Grats on done all 36 mage tower.
And no, i sincerely rebuke that ‘tuned to accommodate’ argument.
None of the challenge is even tuned with warlocks in mind. Unless you are arguing that they purposely tune the challenge to allow the infernal cheesing strategy, or that ‘its a dps challenge with an enrage timer, but we think it is ok when your pet is doing zero damage when you need slow’ is a reasonable answer, or the boss runs out of the area and bugged/reset if you choose to fear them to substitute a lack of proper interrupt is actually ‘working as intended’.
And i am not sure that beating the challenge by overgearing or lucked out on a specific legendary is even consider legit.
If i win a race by using a race car that goes 80 mph while the race was clearly intended to be 60 mph top - is that still consider a legit win or cheating? Or ‘its ok as long as you did it before the race is over’?
Warlock was one exception which had one legendary it required for the Twins as affliction. And I got it done without said leggo. It was hard! But that’s the one exception. The other two were jokes.
I did not overgear my challenges. I specifically got characters to 110, got it to around 920 (around when they were released) and tried to get them done then because it was the only reason why I leveled the characters. The only challenges I “overgeared” were things like holy paladin and sub rogue because I couldn’t stand either of them and got them done in the last two weeks when we had the suped up artifacts.
Some I did specifically undergeared. Tugar I did undergeared on every character because he was a joke of a challenge. I got it done at 873 on windwalker within one hour of hitting cap.
And the point behind my comment on this one was the fact that if people want something bad enough, they will figure out how to get it done. It is meant to be a challenge. Not a walk in the park. If my spec is not optimal for a challenge, it is just another aspect of the challenge I must overcome.
This game needs more time exclusive rewards. It seems like nearly everyone has every transmog set and mount. Where’s the uniqueness?
Bad for who? People who don’t feel like staying subbed regularly? If not for the MT I would’ve been unsubbed a lot longer from Legion than I was. I was leveling alts to 110 to do it, why weren’t you?
I beat all the MT challenges. My brother won’t play the game since he can’t obtain the druid tank skin and feral cat skin. He would be a new player that quit because of these time sensitive items.
I would agree on this, when I was doing them I was aiming at 900 at the maximum ilvl for all of my toons so I could do it at the hardest difficulty. My most proud challenge was doing Guardian druid at 886.
A LOT of the challenges were jokes at 900 still though. Specifically some dps challenges like the feltotem guy and impmother.
How? Blizzard said these fights were aimed for Tomb heroic gear at the bare minimum. Tomb heroic was around 915. Factor in WF’s and such, 920 was average gear for most of the player base (if you heroic raided).
Most of my mage towers were done in Nighthold gear though. I’m talking after Tomb had finished as a tier, I aimed for 910-920 because that was heroic Tomb realistic item levels.
I’d rather have Blizzard work on current content instead of trying to balance old content.
Personally disagree with this. The reward for doing it was the exclusive tint.
I’m sorry I’ll never agree with bringing back any of these things. They were challenges that they brought for those iterations of the classes. So now that there’s newer class design, the challenges are significantly lessened if brought back because they would have to.
As did i, But like i said - even if we did manage to beat the challenge ‘as intended’, it doesn’t cover the fact that the challenge can hardly be called as ‘tuned with Affliction’.
The famous infernal cheesing strategy, which many others completed the challenge with it, effectively bypass an entire mechanic of said challenge.
While i hold no grudge against those who complete it in such way, it does calls into a question of fairness and even the design itself, does it not?
Joke as in jokingly easy, or jokingly designed?
Because i’m fairly certain that being ‘forced’ to not use a Felguard because ‘mechanics’ is a real joke when the redesigned spec is designed to work with felguard.
I’m also certain that being ‘forced’ to use a doomguard to have an interrupt, but unable to use your biggest cooldown as Destro because how Supremacy works is a very funny joke.
Or maybe the real joke is how they insist using different pets for different specs is a ‘great idea’, so they take steps to enforce it - but all the challenge requires interrupt, which their new design directive pretty much puts 2 warlock specs at a dps handicap the moment they walk into the challenge because they are ‘not intended’ to use a felhunter. Even more jokingly was that Supremacy was a bad talent for a fairly long time in Legion until later part of the game.
I agree that people should work hard to improve themselves, and get rewarded for that effort.
But I disagree on people keep using the challenge as a testament/measure of skill, or it’s a great piece of design - when the fact has proven otherwise. The moment one can cheese the challenge with certain strat and walks away with it, or overgearing said challenge - all points of prestige/skill cease to exist.
It simply becomes participation award.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. Time limited content that gives participation award is absolutely fine.
As long as those who gain it don’t try to inflate their ego with buzz words like ‘skill’, ‘effort’, or even ‘prestige’ when they themselves didn’t beat the challenge in a legit manner - yea, we know plenty of you paid for your CM runs.