Perhaps is correct. I have no proof you’ve grown at all in 15 years.
It was a charitable assumption on my part.
Increased server sizes, larger pvp brackets, xrealm battlegrounds – the efficiency of premades when they’re matchmade with pugs:
These are all things which are creating a very unhealthy gameplay experience, because players are abusing them to denaturalize it and break its integrity for the sole purpose of receiving a piece of gear at the other end.
If this makes getting that piece of gear harder for you too bad. The health of the game should come first, which means our priority should be reproducing the engaging gameplay we all remember.
You shot for the moon? Aim lower; unless you want to compete with the guy who can legitimately get there by playing 16 hours a day. If that fixes the gameplay? I’m content.
If the current system makes you unhappy, too bad
See? I can dismiss your PoV entirely as well, and propose “solutions” that don’t work for anyone but myself as well.
Game design is a bit trickier than “do everything to please that one orc on the forums”.
This is absolutely true, or one dwarf.
This is the indefinable substance which my argument contained, that yours lacked.
And this is why I am right, and you are wrong.
Sure you are, buddy. I’m sure blizzard’s gonna fix it any day now.
You never know
shrug
Could be in the pipeline as we speak for all I know.
Want to put a wager on it?
I got gold on Bloodsail, say 500g that no change of this nature happens in the next month.
If you don’t put in the minimal effort to form a team you get exactly what youre worth as a player. Seems fair to me. And also faithful to vanilla.
Say whatever you want, the disparity is too great for any long term sustainable future. Eventually one side gets sick and tired and goes home.
Oh most definitely. I would imagine that’s blizzard’s plan, actually.
To release TBC servers right around that time.
I just addressed your issues of motivation and want and desire to pvp without people forming premades with the purpose to farm honor to get gear.
You know exactly what I’m getting at. You are just choosing to be obtuse.
While that’s an interesting assessment, I wasn’t responding to you unless you are Donkles, too.
He’s not me.
Well my apologies then. Either you didn’t hit reply or the the forums bugged out in net informing me who you were specifically responding too.
From my experience, you learn an incredible amount more working together in a premade via comms than on your own in a pug. It’s night and day.
So are we still talking about how Horde don’t like it when Alliance premade, or about what Horde did during phase 2 that basically led to the current situation?
Cuz no offense, but every time Horde whine about what’s happening now, I get a feeling of de ja vu that’s mixed with the constant reminder that Horde didn’t GAF about how brutally it murdered server balance, got rid of Alliance casuals (btw- reason you face more premades than pugs), and made a lot of people straight up quit.
Heck, most of the same people that cry about premades now were all for premades preventing any sort of world or dungeon content from being run by the other faction months ago.
Alliance in phase 2, and Alliance after AV changes.
We told Horde what the results would be- you didn’t care then, but now that its finally caught up to you, you want us to care that you’re getting a taste of your own medicine?
That’s just never going to happen.
I have no medicine, dude.
My server has a 3-1 ratio population in favor of the alliance.
Your AV threat is obviously undeserved, because neither team was supposed to be able to premade in that game variant and you guys consistently did, screwing over whichever instances you abandoned for your own faction for the purposes of your own personal gain.
There’d be like 15 Alliance players in those instances by the time we reached SP – and while you may have glitch pulled drek in whatever instance you abandoned it for, I hope the ghosts of those 15 players haunt you forever.
Oh yeah, having tens of thousands of players in AV at a time plummet to a couple hundred, and having the win rate go to 1% for Alliance was such a great thing for Alliance players.
No wonder everyone happy with the change is Horde- because it was good for Alliance.
Y’know, I remember one of the key arguments Horde used when trying to destroy AV for everyone was ‘premades belong in WSG/AB’.
Grats, you got what you wanted- premades in WSG/AB, where if I recall Horde said would get constantly destroyed by superior Horde players.
And then cue months of Horde whining because it turns out Horde sucks at pvp when it’s a balanced map.
What a shock.
I mentioned AV in my OP.
I don’t think you guys deserve to lose every match of AV. That obviously isn’t fair to the Alliance people who want to play it.
AB and WSG may be basically balanced maps; but the queue systems that propose entry to those maps aren’t inherently fair; just like it wasn’t fair that the Alliance was making premades in AV when horde couldn’t.
In this case, it isn’t imbalanced by faction, though. It’s imbalanced upon the premise of whether you queued as a group or not.
It’s quite literally the same for both factions. Technically so was AV- if faction balance were flipped Horde would have been easily making AV premades themselves, the problem there was Horde wanted the wpvp advantage of massive numbers.
But lets look at what we have- Horde huge advantage on most pvp servers due to numbers. Horde basically auto wins in AV. And WSG/AB with close win rates, and both factions being able to make premades the same way.
A completely unbiased person is going to look at the massive wpvp imbalance, the massive AV win rate imbalance and say those are the problem, while the competitive ratio of WSG/AB seems pretty good.
But that’s not what the Horde is saying. To almost everyone on the Horde the colossal imbalance in wpvp/AV isn’t a problem at all.
But the even win rates in WSG/AB? That’s such a big problem it’s going to ruin the game. That the only reason Alliance can win there is because premades stomp pugs- and if it were no premades Horde would always win.
Let’s say Horde are right in that, just like they were right in how removing premades from AV would ultimately benefit pugs (because that’s clearly what it did).
Lets say Alliance can’t win without making premades as Horde love to parrot. What happens when just like everything else, the alliance win rate becomes abysmal? Let’s say that it’s not the map, but Alliance really are just that bad at pvp and that’s why they always lose AV without premades.
WSG/AB drop to 1% win rates, which doesn’t feel like hyperbole when that’s what happened when premades went bye-bye from AV. Wanna know what happens next? The same thing that happened with wpvp and AV- Alliance stops showing up, because ultimately nobody wants to play a game that is unwinnable.
I have a better idea- rather than trying to imbalance the one thing left that seems to be working, maybe we could try to fix the rest of the pvp that is so heavily slanted for Horde they may well be the only faction involved.
Heck, on my server they literally are.
But that’s the inherent problem, and that’s why the forums are constantly overrun with Horde saying the premades are an issue, while the wpvp and AV being so massively broken are in their eyes perfectly fine. There’s basically only one faction left in pvp- almost all Alliance are gone, beyond the groups that are fine with pvp since they’re running premades.
And still, the only thing Horde wants is to ruin the last bit of pvp that’s still balanced, and you wonder why nobody on Alliance wants you guys to keep f’ing the game up, and why your queues are so long and there’s no pugs left.
Everything the Horde and Blizz has done so far has been aimed at ruining pvp balance- and it’s all been successful- but it’s still not enough?
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