This is a baseless claim…
If you’re flasked but still get punked or can’t win a 1v1 at the lumbermill, your preparation and the fact that you were standing where you were supposed to be isn’t going to save you from a lack of skill.
IDK man, I hadn’t played WoW in a while when I returned for Legion and I still cleared the Mythic content when it was current (except Kil’Jaeden, Kil’Jaeden was waaaaay too l33t for me and my poor guild). It sounds like your friend didn’t like the game that much, considering one month in I had realized what was needed to clear the content I wanted to and was making my weakauras myself. Make no mistake, Classic content gets harder.
The amended argument is that you’re afraid other players will be able to farm honor as efficiently as you can – which doesn’t worry me at all; you are correct – becuase I don’t believe that the fact you queued with a premade entitles you to more honor in a world where that’s only beneficial because they face pugs.
If by amended argument, you mean strawman you’ve set up to knock down, sure.
It entitles us to better hph because, as I said, our teams are ten times better than the best pug teams.
That’s no straw man!!
That’s the legitimate position you are all arguing from lol!!
Becuase:
Pug teams were randomly generated, and yours was hand picked.
Exactly – unfair teams > unfair match.
He said to the dwarf with 0 hks, and no premade.
Maybe different people have different positions?
I agree, making premade vs premade and pug vs pug if honor was not increased for premades would kill premades and strip the fun from the game for many people. Those doing premades for fun with guildies would stop. Those doing premades for rank would stop if they could get more HPH. The best teams would stay the longest but eventually, it would be the best team vs the best team and then everyone stop and PUG except a very few. There is only one type of person this would benefit and that is those who enjoy pugging with strangers from other servers for whatever reason.
This also was tried, although by accident. When BGs released AV was the best honor per hour and there were no horde premades. WSG was an option but the HPH was so much worse that no one did it despite having teams ready to go when BGs released and despite how it would have been more fun. Everyone went to AV because they had to do that to rank. I don’t know any horde who did the solo AV thing who liked it. I was trying to say this in my long post above.
I don’t disagree with you, and I’m not saying everyone who was “good” in classic are actually garbage players. I’m just saying that what a makes a wow player good now is not the same thing that made a wow player good back then. You can absolutely be good at both, he was not. I know AQ and Naxx will be harder than MC/BWL, at least I hope they are, but Naxx is still probably still a cakewalk for players who raided HC/Mythic at any point post cata.
If the fun in the game is stomping pugs with invincible teams, you’re not being very considerate to the other people who play it.
Then the whole reason why they’re in premades to begin with is for hph, and for no other reason. If we assume your assumptions about the premade v premade queue are correct, and it does die out, we apparently haven’t lost anything worth preserving.
We lost a system that rewards the best teams with the most honor points and replaced it with one that rewards the most time played and how many 1v1s and 2v2s you can win on the AB roads.
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If you are flasked and still lose you’re garbage, no disagreement there. But the flasked player has a pretty big advantage. Just because you’re not willing to flask as well doesn’t mean it’s unfair. You have the option flask and choose not to. Same way you have the option to premade, or at least queue with a healer or 2, and choose not to. It’s your own fault.
We lost a system that rewards players for forcing unfair circumstances in a competitive game mode, and got a system that grades player ability on a fairer landscape.*
I’m sorry, man. Y’all queue dodgers got me fired up.
The most common thing in private servers is clearing BWL and MC within one day of release and then immediately crashing and burning once AQ40 is released. It isn’t Mythic content but it’s content that has to be respected and I see a lot of guilds setting themselves up for failure.
There is no question that your friend had a good guild with depth, organization and a functional loot system, even if he wasn’t the greatest player individually. Regardless of his possible keyboard turning/skill clicking he probably was assigned tasks (we are all flasking tomorrow, have your resistance gear ready, etc) and completed them. Those were the only guilds that made it there.
But that’s not what you’re getting. You’re getting a system where the only way to be successful is account share. You don’t need to win to gain honor. You need to efficiently farm other players. That won’t stop if you have seperate queues, rankers will still farm easy targets, you just want a system where you’re no longer the easy target.
I mean, this is what I mean when I say you don’t make any effort to understand the other players in the conversation. You never try to look beyond your personal viewpoint.
There are currently many premades at many levels of skill going for a variety of reasons, which would diminish greatly in a premade vs premade system.
Suddenly my just for fun with my friends premade only faces other premades, which makes us not queue because we can’t compete and have fun anymore.
Suddenly the premade that isn’t very good by premade standards stops queuing because they have no games they can consistently win or even come close to.
The premades that go as hard as they can stay in the system the longest, these are the honor per hour guys. When they are all that’s left, honor per hour stops being good because for one team to win, another must lose. At best, 50% of teams will get decent honor per hour, so now they stop queueing.
It’s not the only reason to premade, and you should know that by now since you’ve been “reading the thread” as you claim. But seperating queues is bad for the game and breaks many reasons to premade.
No it won’t stop, the point of separating queues is not to stop it. It’s to prevent premades from being queued against pugs.
The same could be said for everyone in this thread. Suffice to say we all have opinions. There isn’t anything wrong with that.
On the contrary, perhaps this is the entire reason for Pre v Pre.
Everyone’s being appropriately rewarded for their time spent.
What a crime…
The only reason it intends to break is the one which forces unfair circumstances upon other people trying to play the game and enjoy their time that way.
But that won’t stop rankers farming players. It’ll just change the method. But you don’t care as long as you get a free pass from being farmed right?
No, it really couldn’t.
Plenty of us are arguing in good faith, and actually trying to address concerns of players in other positions.
You’re the only one /shrugging when there’s a problem you personally don’t care about.