How to actually "git gud"

If you go into youtube and type “pvp guide for class X” you’ll find a ton of videos that will show you what race to play, what talents to spec into, which covenant abilities to pick up, and what a rotation might look like. But very few of them (at least, very few that I’ve seen) actually offer practical gameplay advice. Based off what you read on these forums, tons of people say things like “you just need a ton of experience to learn the game” but I also feel like this is bad advice. If you’re doing the same thing over and over again, you can’t expect to just magically improve. It’s like the flawed old adage that says “practice makes perfect” when it’s actually “perfect practice makes perfect.”

To preface this, I’m not some elitist pvp god. I’m a normal casual player who was around 1470 after 137 games of 2v2 (ilvl 203). I became aware of the mistakes I was making, made the adjustments, and saw a dramatic improvement rapidly. After the first 137 games, I had about a 52% win rate. This week, playing 33 games, my rating has improved to 1611 with a 64% win rate, and our MMR was just under 1700. I don’t for a second believe that this improvement came from the experience of those first 137 games but rather what I learned to improve my gameplay. Here’s what I implemented, hoping it can help some people here.

  1. In order to be succesful in rated arena, you have to understand the other classes. It’s not enough to know your own class inside and backwards. You have to know what cooldowns your enemy has both offensively and defensively, and what utility they have, and the mechanics of said abilities. It doesn’t matter if your talents, gear and rotation is the same as the pros. If you’re pumping DPS into a monk’s karma or with mindgames on you, you deserve to lose. This ties into the next thing which is;

  2. Rated pvp is all about CD trading. You have to know what to do when your opponent pops whichever CD. A defensive for an offensive is usually a good trade (IE popping a ‘wall’ when a mage combusts if you’re healer is stuck in a CC) What seperates the “goods” from the “bads” is good decision making when it comes to CD trading. A perfect go or kill window is when the opposing team doesn’t have anything in the way of a potent CD to stop you from killing them. Knowing that a ret can crush you when wings are up, or that hitting into iceblock when bursting is a bad move is essential.

  3. Awareness is the mojo that ties it all together. You can know all the class CDs, you can know what to do when those CDs are used, but it isn’t going to help you a smidge if you don’t know when those things are happening. There are many ways to learn the CDS (spell animations, sounds) but the simplest solution is weakauras. You can make weakauras that will notify you for every important CD in pvp. Hell, you can even make weakauras that help you know when you should use certain utility (ever play with a ret who specs into blessing of sanc but never presses it? maybe a warrior who doesn’t use intervene? someone with a battlemaster trinket that never uses it? You can make weakauras for anything). You can also use omnibar for tracking said CDs (helping you set up the kill windows and make better decisions).

If I hadn’t made the effort to make these adjustments to my gameplay, I’d still be that 1470 guy for the next 130+ games. Instead, I made some adjustments, got a little addon help, and got nearly 150 rating in a single session of 33 games. The most satisfying part is that I didn’t have to grind away hours without getting better, and I was able to drastically up my ilvl by reaching the next tier. Now that I understand the mechanics of arena a bit better, I expect the “experience” aspect will play more of a role than it did before. My ilvl is now 210 and I look forward to trying to reach the next plateu (1800, my eyes are on you). However in a very short amount of time I was able to get much better without an extreme amount of effort. It’s not about grinding, it’s about smarter gameplay and decision making.

EDITS: Some things I forgot to include. Watching streamers of the best players of my class helped tremendously. Seeing what they do in actual arenas and how they react to certain things is a great learning tool. Another thing is that, I think the most valuable thing experience can give when it comes to arena is having the knowledge of what mistakes you made during a game. It’s incredibly frustrating not knowing what you did wrong (or what your teammate did wrong) because you don’t have a solid base of understanding mechanics. Which is why I think taking the time to learn other classes is so important. Being able to identify which mistakes you made in a game is the only way to correct them moving forward.

Lastly, I realize none of this is groundbreaking nor particularly interesting for people who are already good at pvp. Just thought it might help some casual players like it helped me.

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What you are talking about is exactly what the higher players are talking about with “experience.” Most players will continue to rinse repeat, keep making the same mistakes but expect different results.

That’s a big reason people talk about awareness and game knowledge (of ALL classes). You won’t see it in YouTube videos as much as you will from watching live streams. You also need to be astute enough to see what is happening while that person is steaming. Not everyone takes the time to learn to actually watch, which is why the AWC mostly looks confusing and random to outsiders.

This is why a bunch of people say to record gameplay and watch it later, you pickup little things you miss during the stress of a match :blush:

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I think part of the problem is, people hear “you need experience” and think that means “you need to play a ton of games” without ever making necessary changes! It’s like someone who wants to be a golfer repeating the same flawed swing 1000x over, instead of identifying the problems with the swing and making the right adjustments. It ties in perfectly to your point about being able to see and understand what’s happening in a game. That may actually be a good litmus test; if you’re watching clips from the AWC or a streamer of someone who’s a god at your class, and you aren’t able to follow along with what’s happening, it may be time to up your base knowledge.

Recording games isn’t something I’ve done but it’s a great idea. I’m gonna start doing that with GeForce.

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Yea gotta harp on awareness, cant win games if you dont know what the enemy team is doing.

I Started this in BfA season 4, crazy how many ‘little’ things you pick up on.

This is really well put, except I really don’t see a ton of:

But that isn’t meant to take away from a very good post.

I actually feel like if you ask for help, you’ll get it. I know i’ve gotten it a couple times, and even message with a higher rated player now who helps me out (even after we had a misunderstanding on the forums). As you said looking for a guide on you tube for your class is a great start (wow skill-capped does a great job).

I’m still learning, so I will say fixing your UI and keybinds are also very important. That was the most difficult for me, and I’m still getting used to this, as I just changed mine around. But Awareness as said is very important. Fixing your UI will inturn help your awareness. check out twitch, youtube and see what others are doing (disc priest if you subscribed to Hydramist’s twitch he will give you a UI package ready to go, and you can subscribe for free if you have amazon prime). Wow Skill-capped i also believe has a UI video, but there’s others out there. You just need to look.

Things I recommend, look at What Addons you need, gladius (or RBGS Battlegroundenemies), OmniBar, Omni CC, Weak Auras, etc…

Weak Auras is awesome, and you can probably find something already made for it ready to be used.

All awareness Addons.

Set up target macros on your mouse wheel, and get used to using it (you may take a rating hit, but it’s worth it in the long run). Learn how to use a focus target (I haven’t dove in this yet, as I’m still getting used to mouse keybinds for targets) Harm/Help macros to put keybinds in easier spots are great (especially for Hybrid classes).

Record your session, heck post the recorded videos on here, and ask for people to give you advise. They typically will, and if they don’t, no harm no foul. Watch your own videos. Say man I see where combust was popped and I just stood there like a targeting dummy, or I dispelled a dot, when the mage was casting poly on him.

Ask for help. I was getting my but handed to me in RBGs in regard to healing on my disc. I came on here and saw how different people were doing it, and my healing has gone from bad to good from just learning how to use my class better.

Getting away from Awareness, learn other class spells, and spell icons. If you are using Weak Auras, it has a spell alert ability, and I’m trying to learn the icons of the spells and what the spells do as I go. This will help anticipate burst damage, when to use CD’s, when not to make a “go”.

Watch better players play. But I don’t recommend it on your phone, as it can be hard to see. Sitting in queue, and don’t want to do quests. Throw a video on and watch it while you wait. It can’t hurt.

Lastly if you lose, don’t make an excuse, you made a mistake somewhere (even it’s not what lost you the game). Find that mistake and see how you can fix it next time. Don’t blame your partner(s), you didn’t play perfect either. Don’t play with toxic players, if they are blaming you, than they aren’t willing to learn (most likely).

Man, this is a big one too. I’dd add not to play with anyone toxic. If someone starts nerdraging at you, just stop playing with them. I did some games with a disc who was kyrian instead of venthyr, who ran into the middle of tolviron against fire mage/hpal without a mount, got hoj’ed and then 1 shot by combust, and then he raged on me. legit said “i don’t know why you ran to the pillar there, f-ing moron.” I didn’t say anything, just dropped party. Playing with toxic players ruins the experience of the game. Conversely, if you’re being toxic and finding yourself getting tilted, just relax. Raging isn’t going to make you better and being a jerk to people isn’t going to help you find arena partners who want to climb with you.

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this is all correct.

See enemy buttons, know EXACTLY what they do, press your buttons to counter. That is the game simplified. Take turns doing this until someone messes up/overlaps buttons or you overwhelm them.

Dark iron looks cool, too bad they’re on a dead faction.

Blizz just needs to merge already

i remember some people saying they should have been horde since they’re an “evil” race. but it wouldn’t have made sense lore wise. they were set up to join the alliance since blackrock depths

I came into BFA really late into the game, and didn’t unlock all these factions. Blizz just needs to open them to everyone now (if they aren’t and missed it that’s my bad as I just gave up hope on getting them).

you don’t need the rep to unlock them anymore. just gotta go do a bunch of old bfa quest lines

Since you put it that way… I’ll just do arenas and RBGs… Oh well. I knew the changed the faction part of it, but I get 15 hours a week to play, i don’t want to waste any time i could be getting better at pvp.

Edit: That’s a choice i’m making, so i’m not blaming blizz FYI

I am bad at dk. I’ve been watching Mes stream for awhile and specifically trying to learn how to make efficient gos as frost. Then I q 2s and just practice gos over and over and over until I get it down to a decent level.

I would suggest being real with yourself and see where you are failing, whether it be killing or survival or whatever, and practice practice practice.

The only 2 races I care for are DI & NE.

It annoys me that alliance got almost a 1 to 1 copy of Belfs casting and running animations, etc, and the horde got awful nightborne that have terrible stances, casting, hair options, almost nothing to what NE play as and the NB don’t even resemble the npc from suramar.

Wish we would just got a mirror of NE.

All the restrictions need to be removed. Just more useless time played metrics. Probably next expansion

I was hoping season 2 or 3 maybe. It’d actually make Blizz money with faction transfers. But either way not having these races isn’t what’s holding me back in pvp.

wow, stoopz is a mind reader. perfect addition to this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkM4pNtQE08

lol nice… I need to find those UI videos and link them.

Good postt

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