How the War of Thorns could have been

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So basically, it plays all the same but however just as when the Wisp Wall has fallen and seems that all hope is lost for the remaining Alliance Troops like Gilneans and Night Elves in General. A Force finally comes out and it’s not just Jaina. No Her showing up to the Lordaeron Battle will be saved for later. It’s actually the Lightforged Draenei, Draenei, and the High Elves and Void Elves coming to the Rescue!

The Void Elves and High Elves come out of the Void Rifts and use the Rifts to take parts of the Horde Army slowing them down, Meanwhile the Lightforged Draenei and Draenei summons Pylons, and battle bunkers to defend the Night Elf Villagers and wounded sentinels and warriors against the horde. As for the Ship it goes to the Tree before the horde could even reach the tree with their catapults and just like that The Heroes of the Draenei, Ren’dorei, Quel’dorei, and etc actually saved not only Gilnean Lives but also Kaldorei lives from Execution.

Yes I think the War of Thorns should have been more better if Allies like the Draenei who are skilled in combat, arcane arts, and etc to help fight and save the night elves instead of not being used because they have a overpowered ship. Yea says the writers that actually likes to bash Night Elves, and the Alliance Faction 24, 7, and gives one of the horde leaders plot armor to by having them cause more death and destruction leaving us to cluster that is the burning of teldrassil. I think any Fanfiction of War would be better than current writing of WoW after what BFA did.

Honestly with all of the Tech and Allies the Alliance have. Why didn’t Blizzard used allies like the Draenei who were also victims and survivors of genocide as well as the Void/High Elves who were also killed by the Horde and Blood Elves during the Lodge Invasions, exiles to death, and etc during the War of Thorns? This Choice within the lore is bizzare when you think about it from TBC where the Draenei ends up joining the Alliance where in Ashenvale they help out the Night Elves and such. So I don’t get it.

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Official, they had because of legion no troops left and were almost defenseless themselv

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I mean, yeah. There’s lot’s of ways they could have done it.

Including what we were originally sold in the trailer, which was the Alliance marching on Lordaeron. They should have opened with that and completely remove the War of Thorns. It would have let Alliance be proactive and win a battle. The Horde would be on the defensive and the displaced Forsaken have more sympathy. No actual genocide would have had to happen, and Sylvanas could still blight the city so that nobody gets it.

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Why exactly would the Alliance march on Lordearon? Even now Turaylon has not budged and Anduin of all people would be even less likely to start the faction war. Especially considering his dear old dad made it a point to contain Sylvanas, as oppose to outright continuing a senseless war.

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I feel like this expac is the only one to really get talked about here…

As for the topic, it should not of happened. Most of BfA should not of happened. I seriously think this was worse writing then Shadowlands (mind you, not by much).

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Everything they could have done badly they did worse in this expansion.

The only upside was the faction war armor because I wanted to finally have some race themed gear but everything else? Horrible. I hated it.
Both story and gameplay.

Shadowlands was so bad I didn’t even play it. Hated everything and anything about it. I am still stuck in Bastion… if Dragonflight is good and by good is if the Night Elf trajedy fetish finally ends then I might give it a chance.
But with Malfurion dying, I am less than optimistic.

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1 - Undead rogues make a surprise attack on Night Elves in their own forests? A surprise attack on those who are best in surprise attacks?? In the times when its almost a war, an attack on guards and villages that were left unguarded?
2 - At one point of the story, Sylvanas tells that Horde need to attack at Night, so that Night Elves will not going to have a rest… A night attack on Night Elves…
3 - There was a moment when hunters pet, crab, have killed 10 druids. Crab - sea animal, killed 10 druids in their forest animals form…
4 - Shamans made a fire walk on water, and later asked Fire to kill civilians (remember what have happened with Thrall when he have forces elements to kill Garrosh?).
5 - Night Elves forgot that their druids can summon a Rain.
6 - Night Elven small battle ships that manage to return were shooting from cannons (not glaive throwers).
7 - There were no hippogryphs, glaive throwers, priestess, treants, nightsabers, demigods, Driads e.t.c on a battlefield. Night Elves were just shooting from a bows, 10 druids cats, Malfurion shooting 1 ability (dude that have burned down entire forest of demons by calling a thunderstorm when he was a teen), and a couple of firemages…
8 - Many Night Elves died in a fire, while there was a retreating fleet in a sea. Why they just didn’t jump into the water and swim?
9 - Lorash story.
10 - Draenei and Exodar, Blizzard totally forgot that they exists.
11 - Worgens, decided not to take any actions in a war, just to take an action in that war in next patch…
12 - Horde army managed to turn back from Barrens and made it to Darnassus faster than a fleet that was going to Silithus (which left later).
13 - The wall of wisps was broken, because in 1 day the Horde have found a secret forgotten by elves passage in Night Elves forests, where Night Elves live for 10 thousands years.
14 - Horde cross continental catapults.

Those are my points why I think that writers that have wrote the War of the Thorns story are completely amateurs.

Regarding the story it self - I understood that Blizzard wanted a shock content, with dying children on a hands of a dying mother in the Moon Temple e.t.c, a story with genocide, a story that will make forums burn like it was in CATA when Alliance vs Horde holy wars were ongoing.
But mistake is that in those times Horde fans were saying that the Horde is not evil, that all what Garrosh is doing, must be done, while in BfA Blizzard just hit the Horde with a villain-bat. In the end Alliance fans (who have lost in 3 battles at the start of the Expansion), and the Horde fans (whose faction from a warriors and heroes was transformed in to the pure evil) were not happy and were hating that story. Instead of holly wars on forums and a war in game we had only posts with a hate to that story. And a wishes to remove that story from the games history.

What could be done differently (at least)?
Night Elves could be sown more respectfully during their loss. Alliance could be shown as a winners during Lordaeron battle. The Horde could decline Sylvanas order to burn Teldrassil while there were civilians, and burn it down only after evacuation (first signal that Sylvanas and the Horde have different ideologies).

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I can think of several reasons, but I know from experience that you won’t like any of them, so I’m not going to bother.

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Look, like it not Anduin was the least likely character in all of WoW to start a war. Sylvanas on the other hand was probably top 3 among the Horde.

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Disagree. I can think of several reasons for Anduin to march on Lordaeron, and up to BfA, Sylvanas was trying to avoid getting killed.

Just because you hate a character doesn’t make them a warmonger.

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They could have easily spun a narrative that Sylvanas got Varian killed and an enraged Andiun wanted justice for his father. Or at least as far as Andiun believed what had actually happened.

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If Blizzard decided to start the conflict with a March against Lordaeron, Blizzard would have created a reason, either out of thin air or used a previous event. Like the “Alliance blaming the Horde for Varian’s death” thing, Calia being murdered by Sylvanas like some sort of “She murdered the rightful heir to Lordaeron” thing, or some other past event.

The question of it being a good reason or not would be debated as the Horde official reason for the War of Thorns is.

It will always bothered me that Sylvanas got Varok on bound for the war due to the belief that peace won’t last between the Horde and Alliance because they old hatred will not fade, considering that when they themselves were on opposites during the Second War. Plus with how the Horde burned Quel’thalas and now the Blood Elves are proud members of the Horde.

Thrall lost his connection because of his own guilt and doubt over Garrosh. And the Azeroth elementals are naturally chaotic and have their own sense of morality. Thus this point doesn’t apply.

And to preempt any arguments, the Draenor elementals are more morally sound. Different planets, different elementals.

Perhaps they tried but couldn’t make it? It’s the only thing that makes sense in regards to this point.

That bothered me too.

The lack of Draenei was them being exhausted from the Legion, but they should have at least have a token presence. I don’t remember if the Worgen were involved but if not, then they should of had some kind of presence too.

Whatever Night Eleven settlements in Felwood were either destroyed or discarded during the Third War as the forest was corrupted. The Emerald Circle, an off shoot of Cenarion Circle, Legion remnants, and corrupted Furbolgs have been the main factions in charge of the place since Vanilla. The Legion and corrupted Furbolgs wouldn’t care to warn the Night elves about the Horde presence and it’s unknown if the Emerald Circle were aware that a Horde force had entered the area or realized what they were up too.

Furthermore they used a smuggler’s passage to scale the mountain pass into Darkshore, so it’s not like they uncovered some unknown passage and marched freely into Darkshore from Felwood. They had to be careful about it and the Night Elves were were more focused on preparing their defenses over even thinking that the Horde would scale down some mountains. And if they did think it, they would have stretched themselves too thin to cover it all.

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Hell, we could have had a narrative where Genn pushed for the war because of what happened with Gilneas and more recently the Broken Shore, recruited other Alliance leaders who wanted to reclaim Lordaeron, and garnered enough support that Anduin’s hand was effectively forced. We could have had a story of political intrigue among the Alliance. One based on legitimate grievances. You can even hammer down the justifications by showing Sylvanas stockpiling military resources (Azerite, blight, etc) during the battle of Lordaeron.

Now you have a story with intrigue and potential, where neither side is the objective good guys or bad guys.

And then towards the end, you can reveal that the people pushing for the war had fallen under N’zoth’s influence for reasons.

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Hey remember we were going to fire that canon in Azshara too? Glad to see that totally happened. Not that I approve of the destruction of Teldrassil but you got a canon the size of an island that can fire at a city the size of an island. Makes a hell of a lot more sense than special shaman fire from catapults

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The point was that the Night Elves were supposed to lose that war. That it was supposed to end in a horriffic event that would touch off the Fourth War.

And you really overestimate what the Lightforged bring to the table, which is not fricking much after what was expended during Legion.

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By pissing off every Alliance race? She may have been trying to avoid dying, but her main way of doing so(creating new undead) was always going to put a target on her back.

Oh please, Garrosh of all people told her not to use the blight and yet she decided to use it. She and the Forsaken were attacking various Alliance towns and territories. Her people very nature of needing fresh bodies to exist mean she was going to be warmonger sooner or later.

And I am saying Anduin of all people would not have started one, and like it or not, Sylvanas being the instigator of a war was always more likely.

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The story was bad because the Horde didn’t have an actual victory here. They were showing the night elves far too strong despite the Horde forces heavily outnumbering them and Sylvanas keeping Malfurion from attacking the normal soldiers. Without their army to aid them the Kaldorei should have never had even a flying chance to defend the forests for more then just a few hours. Blizzard missed a huge chance to give the Horde some fistbump moment.

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The WoT was a conceptual failure and turning it into an inexplicable void elf/draenei power fantasy (lmao) would not have improved it. It should never have happened at all. It was not a necessary story beat to provoke an invasion of Lordaeron.

The Forsaken’s uninterrupted tear of aggression in the EK would’ve been casus belli enough for most of the Alliance - certainly most of its players - and BfA’s prelude, Before the Storm, literally ended with the Alliance’s high king losing faith in Sylvanas and realizing she needs to be dealt with. The Alliance leaders with any stake in the conflict were already on that page. The Horde needed to be on the defensive after Garrosh’s war and an earnest defense of homelands we could feel good about fighting for would’ve given our faction a proper stake in the conflict too.

There was no need to stomp on the night elves, nor to forever stain the Horde with another genocide, just to give the Alliance a proper run at Lordaeron. Especially when the end result of this nonsense was to sweep Teldrassil’s ashes under the rug and give Lordaeron straight back to the Forsaken anyway.

But really, this was never about the night elves, or the Horde, or making good on how they sold BfA to us at all, but rather the need to beef up Sylvanas’s villain credentials in time for her solo act. The staggering damage the WoT did to this game’s narrative was in sole pursuit of that.

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There was no Forsaken aggression. Securing the territory that is yours anyway is just keeping the backyard clean. It was the alliance who tried to invade Horde territory when they invaded Silverpine and tried to take over Andorhal.

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That’s because he was pulling a Garithos on her. While conquering Gilneas would have been a bonus, he was looking to bleed her people through attrition. So he deliberately tried to hobble her by denying her most potent weapons.

It’s important to remember that even back then… Garoosh thought of the Horde as mainly an Orc thing. An attitude that would get more extreme as time progressed. It started with the Forsaken, he was literally trying to drive them to extinction this way and eventually his views would grow to exclude all other non-orcs.

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