Fair enough you don’t want it changed but I’m confused by the second statement what does that even mean? You think I want it removed so I can say look it was better before? I don’t think I follow.
Resilience is amazing.
I want to see direct verifiable third party evidence that resilience was the worst thing to happen to pvp.
Blizzard removing it means nothing. Blizzard isn’t an omnipotent god that is infallible.
Blizzard at one point said it would be terrible if they balanced abilities to have abilities have different effects or dmg in pvp compared to pve, but guess what look at retail and that is exactly what they had to do.
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People didnt like resilince mostly because it was the have and have nots. The people with it became far harder to kill and because of that made it harder to climb higher in some cases. On the other hand i havent seen anyone saying " Well this system expansion had the best Arena system we should use that"
Blizzard has tried to make arenas balanced since TBC. In the end they kinda gave up as we can see from the modern game with. I wonder how many people would like resilience back compared to just scaling.
Regardless of what your opinion is, Blizzard at least gave the evidence on the removal of resilience and why it was terrible.
Game. Set . Match
It’s far from ideal for several classes and insane powerful if you play a healer, however I would rather just leave it the way it was because messing with this stuff once you do opens a big can of worms.
After you change resilience it will be an endless chain of requests to balance classes more, like Nerf Lock and Lock PVE DPS, buff rogue PVE DPS, buff dagger spec rogues, nerf life bloom, nerf cyclone, etc, etc, etc…
I would rather just not go there, because it will not end well.
Seriously leave TBC as it is.
By that logic literally everything in classic was terrible so why are you even here. Blizzard removed everything that made classic classic. Set bonuses. Talents. PVP gear completely. All trash
Again you’re ignoring the direct evidence from the Blizzard devs and the clear explanation of why they of rid of resilience, it divided the community and created barriers where none was needed.
Resilience was one of the worst ideas Blizzard ever had and i vividly remember people complaining about it constantly so they finally got rid of the whole mess.
They also got rid of 40 man and 20 man raiding because it was hard for the community to pull large groups together.
So your 40 man shouldn’t exist. They removed 40 man naxx cause they didn’t want people farming it off level for RP gear. So I guess RP gear shouldn’t be a thing.
They removed the need for social interaction and guilds for raids in later tiers with group finder so, I guess we don’t need those either. The literal reason people wanted classic back.
We shouldn’t have PVP servers anymore either by that logic but theyre super popular in classic.
Show me the direct evidence between 40 man raids going to 25 and the removal of resilience
And to be candid you’re not one to take any stance that resilience should not be removed considering your stance on AV and the false allegations that many alliance players have made that AV is biased in favour of horde
It’s hypercritical you to demand that an obliviously flawed system of resilience be kept because of ‘feels’ but you are part of the group of alliance players who demand Blizzard change Av because its 'bad for alliance"
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Here you are saying that if people complain enough Blizzard may change their minds
And here you demanding back 40 man premades, odd that you dont want resilience taken out for fuzzy reasons but when other people complained about he 40 man premades here you defending the whole idea of them
So basically only you can demand changes in AV because of ‘fairness’ but when people say resilience was a terrible idea and advocate for its removal then all of sudden you’re all about no changes
You have no possible argument that could justify keeping Resilience since you are perfectly happy to demand changes that only suit yourself but demand that Blizzard keep it because…reasons…
But you be you.
Because 40 man pre-mades were never stopped in Vanilla. That was a classic only change. I used to fight 40 man raid groups in AV that were in full naxx gear. It was actually fun because you knew those people due to battle groups where there was community.
I don’t think they should remove resilience from TBC because I like resilience.
It did exactly what they wanted it to do at the time. Which was make pvp gear mostly BiS for pvp and PVE gear mostly BiS for PVE.
Just because they changed design decisions in later expansions doesn’t mean they should change it for the one it was in.
Classic would have been trash if they had cut raids down to 25 people and scaled them.
Blizzard literally stated DURING TBC that they did not want to scale pvp and pve differently but they have been for a ton of xpacs since, because they admitted they were wrong about being able to get it close to balance otherwise.
So should they completely re-design arena abilities and how talents work in arena for TBC to compensate for removing resilience? Maybe they can just nerf crit dmg across the board in arena by 70% and in pvp in the world by the same amount. Or perhaps they can take the BFA route and give you literal false numbers on what your hitting another play for.
PvP gear should be the best gear for PvP. Period.
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Keep it the way it is, pvp to get pvp gear and pve to get pve gear.
WOD gets a lot of snarky remarks but other than the Ashran gear exclusive to Ashran it had the best PVP gearing system in the entirety of WoW.
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Yes but that is the only reason you offer, your personal like. and that as point to make any rational argument for its staying in the game is without any merit
Blizzard gave reasons and evidence for its total removal , in that it was absolutely terrible for the game, so your ‘argument’ is a non-starter. You cannot claim with any logical authority to demand that the well known terrible system to be kept in the game when it should be removed, is essence you want #nochanges.
But you only want #nochanges when it serves your own personal likes, which is entirely selfish.
Please show me the blizzard quotes.
Also claiming that blizzard removed it because it was terrible is literally the same arguement of blizzard removed 40 man raids cause they were terrible for the community. The community totally disagreed. Its one of the reasons classic and pservers were so popular actual 40 man raids.
You didn’t see pservers doing them with 25 people. No you saw them speed running with 40 because they like 40mans.
Blizzard pulled it because they felt it was bad design, and that getting 25 people was easier to tune and more reasonable.
Just because blizzard has an opinion doesn’t mean its the best possible opinion.
They should not replace it.
Resilience was perfect
literally leave it as it is. have a problem with it? go start your own game development company.