How recurring subscriptions work with regards to 6 month/1 year rewards

So… I’m pretty pissed at the moment. I’ve been playing since vanilla and have had an active subscription almost the entire time (usually month-to-month but sometimes longer just depending on what I felt like doing and could afford at the time). But since Blizzard started rewarding mounts and other items for people with 6 month or longer subs, I’ve switched to doing that.

My current 6 month recurring sub was set to renew in March so in February I decided to upgrade to a yearly sub. It was taking longer than I thought it should to be rewarded the most recent Charming Courier mount reward, so I first went to the forums to look for answers and then eventually submitted and in-game ticket.

The first response I got said: “As I understand, you have not received the Charming Courier mount despite having signed up for a 12-month subscription earlier this year. Checking your account, I’ve noticed that you currently have no active subscription, which means you are currently not eligible for the mount. In order to receive rewards from promotional subscriptions, you need to keep those subscriptions active, as it isn’t enough to just have time. If you sign up again for the 12-month subscription now, you might get charged right away since you’ll also receive rewards and game time at once, instead of waiting for your current game time to end.”

The definition of “active” didn’t make sense to me. I had a 12-month subscription. I had an active payment method on file. I hadn’t just purchased game time. So, I respond with: “There must be a problem with your back end because I 100% purchased a 12-month recurring sub for the $169.75 (after tax) price that’s supposed to renew every 12 months.” and I then gave the Order ID number for the purchase.

I once again got a response that said my sub was not active from a different GM: “Okay, XXXX, I just went ahead and checked your sub status and found out that your sub is not active, your sub needs to be active and make sure you choose the 12-month sub and not any other option after that you will get the mount.”

I responded with: “Is there any other yearly subscription offer that Blizzard sells that DOES NOT make it recur? Because I guarantee you, I did not make that purchase and then cancel my subscription or remove my debit card information. There are also quite a few people on the forums saying they do in fact have recurring subs only to be told by CS that their sub is not active. So, this isn’t an insolate incident. Please do whatever you need to on the back end to sup my sub to recur (as it should have been when I made the 12-month sub purchase so that I’m not doling out any more money. If you cannot do that on your own, please escalate this to the next level of customer service.”

The next response I got was from yet another GM: "I have looked into your concerns about your subscription and after a thorough investigation, I can confirm that your billing profile was indeed removed on July 4th. Consequently, this led to the cancellation of the subscription’s recurring status. Unfortunately, we are unable to reinstate the recurring status from our end, and we appreciate your understanding in this matter. I hope this clarifies the situation for you. Should you decide to enjoy the special rewards, please feel free to set up a new subscription at your convenience.

This is when it clicked it for me. At the end of June, I noticed a fraudulent charge on my banking statement. I called my bank to start the process of challenging this charge and getting it removed. My bank informed me that to do this I had to have my debit card cancelled and a new one issued. I had no choice in the matter. And it was a massive PITA because I had to go through and change my payment method on every recurring bill I had plus all websites like Amazon, etc.

I did this as soon as I got the new card in the mail. So, I had not “removed my billing profile”. I had simply updated the card on file. I removed the old card and added the new card on the same day. There was no gap, and I still had 7 months before until my subscription would renew where this would be remotely relevant.

I explained all of this context in my follow up reply, but I was still told: “Please note that by removing the billing you previously had, you cancelled the recurring subscription and now you will need to re-add it. Customer Support cannot grant you this reward, as this is an automatic reward that comes from having meeting the right conditions. You may read more about it here: https://support.blizzard.come/article/000283409. I know that this isn’t the answer you were hoping for, but we do hope that you can be understanding our limitations.”

The response I just submitted was: “If this is the case then here is my proposed recommendation: Refund me a prorated amount of the $169.75 for the amount of time left on the 12-month subscription I paid for to the card that is now on file. Once that goes through, I will purchase a new 12-month sub.”

Regardless of how this plays out, something needs to change with this process. Simply updating your payment method on an active recurring sub should not “cancel” it. That’s absolute… I’ll just say garbage to keep it clean so hopefully someone from Blizz will respond. This should NOT be how things work. People make changes to their payment method for any number of reasons. Doing so should not have any kind of negative effect on your account. Especially when it comes to large lump sum purchases for subscriptions.

If CS cannot refund me this prorated amount, then I guess I’m SOL on this mount. I’m NOT going to shell out even more money than I already have for it.

Do better, Blizz. The payment method on file shouldn’t matter until it’s time for the subscription to ACTUALLY renew.

7 Likes

In fact, “recurring” payments shouldn’t factor into giving rewards. If you pay for a year of game time, you should get two 6 months rewards. Also, by linking this to recurring payments, you’re boxing out people who play the game by buying tokens for game time from ever getting these rewards.

8 Likes

This! I honestly think that it should just check “Are you subscribed 95% of the days during this 6-month period? Good, you get the mount”, regardless of how you subscribe (be that 1/6/12-month or via tokens). Blizzard even gets more money from people who subscribe six times with 1-month than they do from people with a 6-month or 12-month. Even if they do get that money upfront instead of spread out.

9 Likes

Update: I haven’t been able to get it through the thick heads of the GMs that I HAVE an active payment method on file. Every new GM (because it’s never the same one to help with continuity) says I need to add a payment method.

This latest response from one: “However, we are sadly not able to provide a refund, or even a partial one for the 12-month WoW subscription, since it was purchased a while ago, and has a lot of game progress on it, with that said, all you need to do is add your payment method to the account, and plan a future renewal (my one current one year account IS renewing) for next year, you will not be billed for it unless the active subscription ends, then you will be eligible for the mount.”

So, just to prove them wrong, I went ahead an added a 6 month sub to my account and SURPRISE I got billed for it. I received the mount but had to pay yet another $84.88.

Whoever is the top person for Customer Support, please reach out to me. You need to 1) revamp your billing system so that accounts do not become “cancelled” or “deactivated” simply by changing a payment method, 2) you need to ensure the same GM responds to tickets so that the customer does not have to explain OVER AND OVER AGAIN the simple basics of the issues at hand, and 3) issue me a refund for this whole fiasco.

8 Likes

Finally got a Senior GM to respond:

Hey there XXXX,

I’m Senior Game Master Relzzuli. I’ve reviewed all of the responses between you and support starting with your original ticket on the 29th and I wanted to help clarify what has been going on.

Let me start by addressing the root of what appears to be the issue – you were not gifted the Charming Courier mount that is a part of the most recent subscription bundle promotion. Our Support team identified that this was due to your previous Subscription agreement being canceled on July 4th 2024. The mount is included with purchase for new subscribers, or gifted to players with existing subscription agreements (or active subscriptions). Your understanding is that you were updating the payment method by adding a valid credit card to your Battle.net account.

The use of active subscription is very important in the language of this promotion, but I’ll use the term subscription agreement since I think it’s a little clearer when discussing billing permission. When you create a new subscription, you are making an agreement between you, your payment provider, and Blizzard that the provided method of payment may be automatically billed at certain intervals. If that agreement is canceled for any reason, we cannot bill you automatically unless you establish a new agreement – even if you place an active/valid payment method in your Battle.net Wallet.

So what went wrong here, and why was your subscription agreement canceled when you attempted to change the payment method?

Some historical context may help to explain why the system works the way it does today –
Your Battle.net Account allows you to store multiple payment methods in a digital wallet (https://account.battle.net/payment). You can choose to use one of these saved payment methods, or you can use a completely different payment method to establish a subscription for World of Warcraft.
In the past, players would delete a payment method from their Battle.net Wallet and believe that it would have the affect of cancelling their World of Warcraft subscription – that makes sense right? The card is deleted, how would we charge it? Well, items in the Battle.net Wallet and a subscription agreement are actually separate things. Months later, after several subscription renewals had occurred, those players would contact our Support teams not realizing they never actually canceled their subscription agreement. This was a very common reason for players to contact Support and seek refunds. Obviously this was not the experience we intended for players and we worked with Battle.net to build a new version of the wallet which is what we have today.

Now when you attempt to delete an item from your Battle.net Wallet, it knows if that payment method is associated with a World of Warcraft subscription agreement. It will now pop up a large warning that says:

Are you sure you want to remove [Payment Method]?
The following account(s) are using [Payment Method] for recurring subscription(s):
[Account Name (region)] – World of Warcraft Subscription – [1,3,6,12 Month] (Update Payment Method)
:Alert: Removing this payment method will cancel your subscription(s). Are you sure you want to remove [Payment Method]

The (Update Payment Method) part of this warning message is a link that will take you to a page where you can update your Payment Method without cancelling your subscription agreement. That page says:

Subscription Options
You already have a World of Warcraft Subscription on your account. To change your subscription plan or the payment method, select from the options below.

Our records show that you proceeded with removing the payment method from your Battle.net Wallet on July 4th instead of updating your subscription agreement. At that time, the subscription agreement was canceled. Putting a new payment method in your Battle.net Wallet, which we also see done on July 4th, does not create a new subscription agreement. If left untouched, your subscription (started in February of this year with Order ID US965780934) would not automatically renew – similar to only having purchased Game Time or using a WoW Token.

Going back to what I said up top, the use of active subscription is important in this promotion because the goal of the promotion is to encourage players to commit to playing for periods of time. We are not able to offer you this gift because you did not qualify under the eligibility requirements.

The second issue which you’ve raised in your latest ticket is regarding the activation of a new subscription and how that would be charged. There was a miscommunication here, while it’s true that 1 and 3 month subscriptions would not charge right away, the bundles for time that include in-game items are charged immediately and the time is appended onto whatever time you already had (https://support.blizzard.com/article/000075715).

This is definitely something that should have been conveyed to you more clearly and since you have not used that additional game time yet it is something that we can offer to refund (Order US1044681929). However, to make sure that we continue to convey information clearly I do want to let you know that refunding this order would revoke the in-game items associated with it (Charming Courier mount with Skyriding in World of Warcraf, and Swoopy pet in Cataclysm Classic). If you are fine with that, please respond to let us know and we will start processing that refund request.

I apparently reached the max amount of replies allowed for a single ticket, so I can’t respond to Relzzuli. So, if they are seeing this, here’s how I was going to respond without creating a new ticket.

Hello Relzzuli,
Thank you responding with this in-depth explanation. Hmm, I don’t remember seeing an “update payment method” option or else I clearly would’ve done that instead since I had the new card in hand (maybe it was in smaller text?). Regardless, I might as well keep the additional 6 month sub since I’ve already paid for it and got the mount.

I’m not sure what changes need to be made in the future to make sure this doesn’t happen to anyone else given how you explained the technical aspects. Maybe just make the text larger and give the explanation you gave me about deleting a payment method cancelling out the recurring billing and preventing the person from getting promotional items.

Maybe they can also tell us in advance when promotional items will be released (even if they don’t tell us what they are) so that we can make sure we have our billing methods setup accordingly.

So, word of warning folks: Make sure you click the right option when updating your payment method!

3 Likes

I went back and looked at account settings. There’s no “update payment method” option. You can add a new card/PayPal but I’m pretty sure it forced me to remove my old card before I could make my new card the default payment method. So, maybe that’s where things went wrong and need improvement.

1 Like

After having read Relzzuli’s response, I do understand the different technicalities involved here, but that is really unfortunate and I’m sorry that you ran into a lot of issues with that. That must be incredibly frustrating.

Hopefully there can be some clarity either on the wording of the promotions or particularly on the payment update options so that people fully understand what the consequences are.