How much worse can the game get?

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I don’t believe there are many players that would disagree with me on this when I say class design is horrifyingly grotesque this expansion so far.

Watching BFA PvP gameplay makes my stomach so upset that I wonder how they have butchered the paradigm of “WoW Class design” over expansions (starting from WoD) and haven’t learnt a single thing from doing so. By callously relinquishing the exorbitant amount of feedback given by devout WoW players, they have succesfully created an expansion that resembles the product of a clumsy and unfinished work done by incompetent individuals. I had genuinely hoped that after Legion, certain precautionary decisions would be considered by the game development team to preclude analogous ramifications, but I was dead wrong.

Nearly every unprecendented system or feature implemented in BFA has been a debacle and no significant attempts were made to ameliorate the so called “mishaps” and unpleasant circumstances that players experience throughout their PvP pursuits.

Can 8.1 make things any better?

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Have you ever seen BLESS online?
There is room to be worse, trust me.

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I feel they’ve put PVP a bit more on the back-burner than they have in past expansions. Warlock changes (the UA nerf for afflocks) seem wholly directed toward PVE and have nothing to do with the viability - or not - of the class in PVP.

PVP seems like it’s usually second tier, but especially so this expansion. As a result, we have entire seasons with entire classes sitting in a non-viable state.

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bless online was actually really good, the game died because there was no content

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Yea… im giving it a year. If blizz cant get classes fixed by 8.3 there wont be a next expansion. Too many people were burned in bfa arguably a worse fiasco than wod. Everyone quit a month or two into the expansion this time. At least wod retained players til 6.1

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Do you find it interesting that there was all kinds of tuning before blizzcon, but nothing since?

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Nope. Sounds about right. Blizzcon is also when their stock dropped by 15% or higher too. The fact they arent advertising wow for christmas like they usually do around this time means alot and says:

A. They dont want to advertise this because of the state of the game

Or

B. They realize BFA is a business loss and have already moved on to making classic / the next project in WoW (8.2)the best it can be.

Either way we the customers who support and play wow are screwed because we wont be getting meaningful class design until late bfa (8.2?). The game has lost good grace with the people who returned for bfa and its going to affect the way the game is looked at down the line. Just a botch job on the part of blizzard. Nothing they can do barring god tier changes in 8.1.5 when the raid drops.

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Legion was a big disappoint for me. BfA just made me quit.

Idk if the game can be worse than this… i guess idc either; i don’t play this thing anymore.

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Lmao your outlook is a lot like mine. Historically the last season often ends up being either the most fun, or the more balanced of the expansions as they tweak and shift things around.

Problem is every .3 patch or last major patch of the expansion as they start to really solidify how they wanted the expansion to be from the beginning they burn it to the ground and try to re-re-re-re-re-invent the wheel again with a whole new different idea next expansion. Then we get stuck in this vicious circle of waiting for them to get a grip lol.

It’s like a bad ex-gf who keeps saying she’ll change and those occasional periods where things are really good seems to drown out how it’s awful the other 80% of the time.

I really do wish they’d realize though that Class design should be king. There’s been some mediocre, low content patches/expansions. But if the classes/specs are fun I’ll play just about anything. Might even enjoy actually questing again. As far as content and things to do, this expansion has more to offer than ever before. But my favorite specs are all bleh, so everything feels bleh.

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I agree with the analogy. I just feel bad for people who try it and end not playing. Feels like they get the short end of the stick for no reason other than trying the game. It’s probably worse if you invest in the expansion plus the sub and then don’t play it.

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Were only 1 more prune’spansion away from WoW being announced on console, and all our buttons fitting on a playstation controller.

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Playstation nah dude were getting wow mobile next cause we all have phones

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Probably not. But the pruning of abilities is intended to make wow playable on a cellphone.

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Things can always get worse

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Lol you read straight from a thesaurus while you made this post. quit whining gitgud.

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its blizzard, of course things can get worse, they always do

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The ability tuning(s) address a partial conundrum that is associated with the subject of balance, thus any further modulation is done for the sole interest of appealing the PvE community.

But my area of confusion is derived from the decisions made by developers from a class design standpoint. For so long, class design has been a monumental factor that has a distinguishing element that usually determines how engaged players will be in WoW. Although radical revamps have been made for the purpose of giving the game a revolutionary look from time to time, exuberant class design should always be a primary goal.

Its reasonably safe to deduce that either Blizzard wants to truly kill off this game or they have somehow become oblivious to the essentials of WoW and the original orientation behind this franchise.

PvP, to me, has always been the epitome of players’ trying to maximize their class skill cap with creativity and teamwork (if requiring more than a single player) as they confront and try to overcome the obstacles that opposing players provide. From what I see in BFA, no class supports any creative form of gameplay due to the prunes and lack of crucial gameplay elements. For almost 2 expansions players have been demanding gameplay that is fairly complex, yet hard to master. Its almost as if most of the suggestions and feedback go in one ear and come out the other with no value. Was there absolutely no assessment done to identify the major source of complications that pertained to the tumultuous criticism given by players (about class design, reward system, engaging content etc…) since Legion?

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Which expansion had good class design for arenas?

I’ve played them all, just curious what makes BFA the worst or which one was the best to get an idea what people like.

I thought MoP was the worst by far and actually like BFA this season. I think I’m partial to BC but that’s because it was new and I was young and played it a ton. :slight_smile:

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What do you like about class design in BfA? I’ve never been this bored playing my class in my life. MoP Shaman has twice the buttons (and choices) to make so it’s a clear decision to rate MoP over Legion/BfA.

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That’s actually quite the unpopular opinion. Very intriguing, yet leaves me in doubt.

Can you explicitly state what made MoP such an undelightful experience for you where you have to give BFA leverage over it?

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