This is done automatically… literally every aspect of what you said is instant… so why would anybody figure that in to their time?
I’ll do 10 heroics tonight using RDF and see how quick we finish them. I know when I was gearing for pre raid bis I always assumed I would get either 3 or 4 done an hour. So that’s where my 15-20 min average time comes in.
That’s crazy… they don’t even need ot watch the debuff, just wait until your character starts flashing and the game starts making that odd woosh woosh woosh noise then move out lol.
That’s a hella short dungeon too for it to last an hour, that’s really riding the struggle bus.
I have no problem with your way of thinking if and when it applies to guildies and friends. Ive been there to in retail over the years, but we’re adressing pugs and rdf and pugs are naturally a way to step down and yes, meet new rookie players and be helpful. No it doesnt require a convo before every pull, but theres no harm in pumping the breaks and speaking up if you see someone lacking and struggling. Just kicking them is treati g them like trash and they pay their $15 amonth to and have an equal right to enjoy the game. I mean, as i said before, the content is already nerfed and dumb down. If you’re pugginf, enjoy the company, as youre not going to be able to enjoy the content as youve ran 100’s of times by now. Be the solution, not the problem.
While this is true… that’s not what the debate is here. It’s the uninteruptable RP elements of the deadmines that make it suck. It drags it out for no reason other than to drag it out.
Yeah, i dont see a problem… the fun part about heroics from an experienced pov is to be helpful in pugs. People can be interesting. Making friends is fun. Helping, even carrying can be fun as it can give you that /flex moment.
Yes by doing good dps for fast easy clears, tanking efficiently for fast easy clears, or healing well so the tank can tank efficiently for fast easy clears.
Most players could care less about their RDF groups or care to make friends in there for another server. I’m one of those people. I have enough friends in my guild, RDF for me, and many others is simply a means to an end. (pre raid bis). So the goal in there for the MAJORITY of the player base is fast clears to get onto the next dungeon.
Sure by doing great dps to make the run go fast and efficient, or being an amazing tank to make the run be fast and efficient, or being an amazign healer also making the run go fast and efficient.
People in pugs are at best single serving friends. And I don’t want to burst your bubble but I don’t care about your day or your favorite color and chances are you aren’t funny/interesting enough for me to want to chat it up.
Fast easy clears are for non-pugs. Pugs are pugs, so they’re unpredictable. Its good to slow down and enjoy the ride and see what pug can do what and which pugs might need some mintoring. If this just idnt your style, queue with friends and guildies and speed run until your heart is content.
Dont be like most players. Be your own hero. Decide your own path. Are you the evil, corrupt shadow priest that wreaks havoc every where you go or the helpful virtious priest that wants to lend a hand? When you change, the world around you can change. No, you dont have to carry a struggling pug into a raid, but you can teach them to step up and anything is possible.
So be great at what you do, but be helpful and mindful of those struggling and show them what you can do, so they can learn to be “fast and effecent” too.
A community that bands together, stays together. A better quality community ensures a long and healthy life for a great game.
I disagree with you greatly here. The vast majority of my pugs are fast easy clears. It’s not hard to do a heroic in 15 minutes.
This is generally not the views of the vast majority of players, they want in and out of heroics quickly, because as I said previously… it’s nothing more than a means to an end (Pre raid bis) for them. If you’re slowing the runs down against the will of the other players thats no less toxic than players kicking people for no good reason.
Again, most of my RDF runs are very fast clears. Not world record speed runs, but fast enough that I don’t feel like I’m waisting my time in heroics.
I think you’re confusing WoW with an actual RPG. I know it’s “technically” an MMORPG but it really should just be considered an MMOG “massively multiplay online game”. Even on RP servers… there is hardly any RP going on lol.
And if I’m going to roleplay, I would rather just play a tabletop RPG like Dungeons and Dragons or Pathfinder.
Who says I don’t do this? I think you’ve formed a lot of assumptions about me simply because I disagree with alot of what you say so you think I’m some kind of “bad guy”.
Yeah like…guilds. Not randos in RDF. I can’t remember a single persons name that I’ve run with in any of my RDF’s lol. Nor do I care to since as I said before. Heroics are simply a grind. A means to an end. Nothing more, nothing less. The faster I can make them the better so I can get to real end game content on that character with my actual friends.
Sure… if you want the game to feel like a job. You’ll hit that burn out point quickly that way. You are free to dusagree with me, but 15min clears, with zero communications sounds terribly boring and a design flaw. I use to love getting lodt in BRD and other dungeons. Still do. But thats me. Cata dungeons are terribly boring by design. Thats why you hate running them and why you hate sluggish, new players.
A large collection of people can still be wrong. In the days of old the vast majority of people use to torture and kill witches. Do i need to bring up slavery too? Stop using large group of peopketo jusify bad behavior. Wrong is wrong. It only takes one person to have the right idea and what’s best for everyone. A healthier, happier, helpful community benefits everyone.
Its amazing what you can see when you slow down. Maybe that pug that was struggling could become your new best friend or even an EGF or a wife… the potential is endless when people arent being so cut throat.
Then good, life is throwing you a curve ball and making things interesting for you by giving you the great opportunity to work with a struggling new player. Do you know who that person is? Its you. Its me. Years ago when we first came to Warcraft. Never forget that someone helped us when we were new. Someone made our times easier by teaching us. So share that love.
No, i was only being metaphorical. As youre posting on a priest, (my first class ever. ) i loved the idea of being helpful and healing people. I assumed, since you play a priest, perhaps that same helpfulness was inside you to. My apologies for being mistaken Mr. Fast and Easy.
More like a duche. But just my opinion that i picked up from your own words. You seem like a guy that wants to disagree with me for some odd reason, but yet dont like what your disagreements say about you when they’re turned on you.
Thats so terrible. I dont either if im being truthful, but it also shows why RDF is inherently a terrible, selfish tool that brings out the worst of people and communities. Ive never liked it, but i suppose its a necessary evil.
Once again, this is YOU assuming you know how other players enjoy playing the game. I’ve been playing since wow’s release ORIGINALLY. Never quit playing. And I’m back here doing it again. I now have 11 level 85 characters all at least pre raid BiS, and I’ve ONLY done doungeon grinds on them. I don’t quest at all
So assuming you think I will burn out, simply because I enjoy efficiency is just silly.
To YOU, sounds terribly boring TO YOU. The VAST majority of players want those quick runs, so you’re in the minority here not us.
I disagree completely. I enjoy the dungeons (Other than Deadmines), and that’s pretty comical because non cata deadmines is one of my fav dungeons to run.
Once again, putting words in my mouth that I never EVER once said. 1st - I enjoy cata dungeons. I just enjoy clearing them fast. And they are, by design, able to be cleared fast with the way they have the trash packs able to be pulled in groups.
2nd - I don’t HATE running with anybody except toxic A-Hats in chat. I’ve expressed no less than 4 or 5 times in our back and forth discussion here, that low DPS players, so long as they are trying, don’t bother me.
Like I said before. Reading comprehension is a very cool skill to get good at.
So you’re equating some people who don’t want to carry bad dps in thier heroics to murders and slave owners? That’s messed up. The one… is NOTHING like the other and at best is a disengenuous argument. At worst, a low IQ argument that has no reason to even be in this conversation.
You’re the one calling people toxic for not playing how YOU think they should play. So YOU’RE being toxic yourself. Pot meet kettle.
After running these dungeons hundreds or close to a thousand times… I have no reason to “slow down” I’ve been there, done that, seen it all. I’m fine going fast.
That pug could care less about me, just like I can care less about them. Like I said, I can’t remember a name of a single person in my close to 1000 RDF runs. Nor do I care to. Also… I have a wife, I don’t need or want another. One is expensive enough.
Once again, you COMPLETELY missed the fact that I and I’ll put this in caps so maybe for the 5th or 6th time you will catch it. I NEVER SAID I BOOT PEOPLE FOR LOW DPS. I’ll say it again. I NEVER SAID, I BOOT PEOPLE FOR LOW DPS. And a third time, just for you since… you obviously miss this every time I say it. I NEVER BOOT PEOPLE FOR LOW DPS.
Nope, it’s not me. Not to toot my own horn or anything… But I’ve always been quite good at the game. I started playing the in OG beta, never rode the struggle bus.
Once again, you are assuming that I’m some kind of bad guy. You’re up in your own head space painting a picture of me in your mind that isnt accurate at all. Who’s to say that I don’t show people how to play? I’ve taken many players under my wing to get them better at their class and the game in general.
Get me out of your head, and look at the things I write rather than coming up with your own imaginary scenarios.
No you were LITERALLY telling me to treat the game as an RPG. That’s not metaphorical.
Show me some quotes that would make you think that I’m a duche. And I’ll show you why you’ve taken them out of context because your reading comprehension capabilities are… questionable at best.
You’ve literally NEVER used anything I’ve said against me. And I stand behind everything I’ve said. You seem to take a TON of things out of context, and then make crap up in your own head and add to what I’ve said… to use that immaginary conversation you’ve had with yourself… against me.
I pity you. You’re like that fat greasy loner on the South Park Warcraft episode. Ive quit many times and look forward to quitting again. Soon. I have a career, irl frirnds, a wife, and two wonderful kids. No amount of max level toons or epic loot is going to ever replace those great IRL accomplishments. Thank you for indpiring me on what not to be.
Just because you cant handle the truth, doesnt mesn its not the truth. I was illustrating a point by making an extreme comparison. I stand by my words. The germans actuslly thought it was a good idea to put jews into camps. You’re standing up for players that kick people out of their groups without warning or even an idea of what they were even doing wrong. Ive had to watch my own wife getting kicked repeatedly for bad dps without one word said in chat! The only reason you see no wrong here is those pugs being kicked dont matter to yoi because the only person you care about is you and your precious 11 85’s. Go enjoy your shallow meaningless life. I’ll continue fighting a good fight for a better community.
honestly TLDR all these quotes dead mines isnt that bad its the RP that sucks idk why people leave the dungeon i go in and even with bad players i clear it under 30 its not worth it to leave and get stuck with the debuff especially as a dps when you got a 10-15 que time on top of your 30 min debuff
Yes I’m the Deuch and toxic one right? Now I see why you and your wife get kicked out of dungeons and come here and cry about it all the time.
See you have a career, and that’s great.
Thing is though… I was smart enough to invest in myself at a young age so now I have what people in my position like to call… disposable income, and never have to work another day in my life if I choose not to. And that affords me time to do things like have a life, wife, kids, AND also have ample time to play wow.
The great part about being me, is I’ve always been good at everything I do, including money investment.
Also, you sound like you’re a closet case self loather. Confession through projection is what they say.
It’s not the truth though. Murderers and slave owners are NOT the same thing as people who want to be fast and efficient in dungeons lol. You’re pretty out there compairing wow players to slave owners and murderers… I don’t think ANYBODY would disagree with me there that has brain inside their head.
And now you’re compairing wow players that kick low DPS out of dungoens to the Germans under Hitler… you are absolutly special. And I don’t mean in a good way.
Because she sucks. If she’s getting kicked out REPEATEDLY it’s because she so bad at the game that people don’t want to play with her because they think she’s a bot or afk/leeching.
If you’re that upset by it, here is a novel idea. With all those friends you say you made… make a group, and Q together. Problem solved.
Once again, you missed the part where I’ve said NO LESS THAN 8 TIMES IN THIS THREAD NOW. THAT I DON’T KICK PLAYERS FOR LOW DPS.
I know your reading comprehension skills are poor. But I literally put it in caps 3 times in a row to catch your eye because you missed it EVERY SINGLE TIME I’VE SAID IT BEFORE THAT.
^^^^^^ Proof
The fact is, you’re simply mad because you and your wife are horrible at the game and repeatedly get booted because people think you’re afk or botting. It’s also clear now after this conversation that you’re a horrible person too. Comparing players to Germans under Hitler, murderers, and racists. You’re jacked in the head brother.
You’ll hit that burn out point quickly that way. You are free to dusagree with me, but 15min clears, with zero communications sounds terribly boring and a design flaw. I use to love getting lodt in BRD and other dungeons. Still do. But thats me. Cata dungeons are terribly boring by design. Thats why you hate running them and why you hate sluggish, new players.
) i loved the idea of being helpful and healing people. I assumed, since you play a priest, perhaps that same helpfulness was inside you to. My apologies for being mistaken Mr. Fast and Easy.