How much DPS on average is appropriate for a 2?
Just got done clowning around on some 2s for fun. Seemed like people were fine on mechanics. I wasn’t pulling great but I kept meat in the grinder and it seemed like we just couldn’t time a two.
I’m assuming it was DPS as we were all just on random toons drinking and having a good time.
So what’s the average DPS you’d expect from someone in a +2? (From someone who could use the gear in a two)
What I expect is overall dps to be above the tanks. Unless the tank is geared to the teeth (like Hero 4/6+ or Myth geared) or the spec is doing bonkers dmg thats generally what is looked for when pugging. If you are with guildies/friends they generally wont care.
A better measurement would be what ilvl (for pugging that is). I recommend 620 ilvl before doing M+ where heroic drops 619 gear. As the general rule of thumb is the min ilvl you should have before applying to M0/+2 is what heroic drops.
Also go with the class/dps spec you enjoy playing the most and play well. It may not have the highest damage cap but players will often times do damage (and parse well) on a class/spec they know and love versus the flavor of the month “metas”.
Tank friend of mine is regularly doing 1.5 million DPS overall in keys (~1.7 in keys where DPS doing a bit over 2m is more normal).
I dunno what’s going on there but it is not uncommon for him to be 2nd DPS around the same ilvl most people are right now (~640).
Tanks got mega buffed because they weren’t keeping up supposedly but kinda seems unnecessary from my perspective. I haven’t seen other tanks though, and we’ll see how it looks in another 20 ilvl.
Anyway, point being “better than the tank” isnt a great metric when we have tanks doing almost 2m DPS. in a mix of S1 gear and S2 Champ Gear.
Tier set bonuses and trinkets play a major part so people usually aren’t too concerned the first few weeks as well as overall class balance.
But it also sounds like your friend is an amazing tank who parses well.
Personally I usually look at overall damage done for the dungeon.
At 645 I’m doing around 3 mil overalls in keys. Bit more in some, bit less in others.
Some tanks like prot warrior can do bonkers dps atm. Not sure if all the tanks are that close on dps though.
Anything below like 900-1mil “overall” starts to feel a bit strained. If it’s far below that then bosses and trash can feel like they take too long and use up mire resources.
However, you’re not always in control of how much dps you can do. If the tank is pulling like a snail and not combining packs for dps cds then you’re going to be unable to do your Max.
There’s a lot of missing context that is more relevant than whether or not they need the gear in a 2, since even in the 620-630 range there is room for good and bad players to exist.
If they seem good, I’d expect a good 1.5m+ overall at the end of dungeon. I think even at the point where you need the gear good players should be able to +2 a +2. Bad players I would not be surprised if they didn’t even hit a mil overall.
My rough guess would be
Min: 1.2 mill+
Expected: 2 mill+
Varies by pull size, team composition, how durable the tank is, how new the healer is.
You’d time a +2 on much less but should strive for more.
I think that answer probably gives me the info I was looking for and confirms my suspicions.
We were all sub 1 mil most of the dungeon which is fine as “let’s drink and brick some 2s for champ gear” was the general idea for the night anyways.
Mission successful, drinks were drunk, much fun was had, got some loot, bricked all the 2s.
I just timed a 3 on my tank with one DPS doing 1.5m and the other two doing around 750k and we did it but it was a bit of a drag.
My tank does around 1m overall damage on average so you should ideally be doing more than that.
I wish the average dps pug was doing this minimal :C
Also there is a bit of difference between an optimised ~620 (eg. Full heroic last season) and a polished poo ~620 (like when my fresh 80 bm hunter had 11k vers and bupkis for haste/crit)