I actually replayed Honest Hearts in FNV today and it’s funny how much the Draenei’s exodus proves the point that running from your enemies isn’t a solution. They burned world after world fleeing and the one time they finally stood and fought they defeated the legion with the inhabitants help.
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So the Draenei allowed untold worlds to be destroyed by leading the legion to them in their flight, and were told that they were the hope of the universe? Didn’t sargeras say the same thing to the eredar about the void? That’s a mighty sharp ethical razor you got there my friend i’d be careful.
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Yeah, but that was because they stood with the super special heroes of the super special-est world in the entire universe, wielding extra super special weapons of legend. Standing with the regular Joes of any old planet probably wouldn’t have cut it, and they only reached Azeroth via their constant fleeing. It’s probably why the Naaru were dragging them by the nose from one end of the universe to the other, in the first place.
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Again, the goal of the Legion was to destroy everyone. The Draenei had little to no ability to fight them at the time and did their best to hide. At best the draenei sped up the Legion’s time table but considering at by the Legion expansion they have nearly destroy the entire universe anyway it wouldn’t have matter in the long run.
The orcs and draenei had tenuous relations at best. His people also happened to save Durotan and Grom, in and of itself leading to its own chain of events that ultimately saves the orcs. A quick check also says their were orcs who vowed to be enemies of the draenei. Something that would further complicate any diplomacy.
Velen has never been diplomatic. If only because usually people don’t like hearing the truth. Having said that the local population of Draenor were already suspicious of them. If they were told they might be the precursor to a demonic invasion, elements knows what would happen. The orcs were already half ready to attack them. Telling them about the Legion was liable to push them over the edge. Hell, the orcs RAIDED the draenei and took prisoners. If anything that event would probably convince most draenei not to say anything. I expect Velen saw visions of things going very horribly wrong for the draenei if he did try.
You assume the draenei even had the ability to stop it/Didn’t try. Hell we know the lightforged fought them as best they could and slowed down the Legion long enough for Azeroth to have a chance.
If you want someone to blame for the death and destruction that followed the draenei, I suggest pointing your finger on the Legion. Oh and considering the draenei were instrumental in getting us to Argus and finally ending the Legion, I would say the draenei have paid any debt they may have had to the universe.
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No assumption was made that the Draenei had the ability to fight back though if we were to get technical Illidan stormrage took out two legion homeworlds and gathered the sargerite keystone to access argus, so one determined rebel did more to off balance the legion than the entire army of the light. What i’m saying is even if the Naaru told them that they had to flee and leave those worlds to die it doesn’t absolve them of responsibility, anymore than it absolves the legion of responsibility because they did technically stop the void from corrupting the universe.
And what responsibility is that? They couldn’t bring everyone with them and as I mentioned those worlds were doomed already, draenei or no draenei. Hell, maybe ask the Naaru why they didnt try to save other races. Really, the draenei were more or less along for the ride as oppose to actual being in the driver seat.
As for Illidan, I would point out the draenei(at least the lightforged kind) were frustrating the Legion and buying everyone else time to actually try and be more prepared for the Legion.
we saw in legion there are more than a few worlds that haven’t fallen with the argus invasions. by informing the inhabitants of the worlds they visit and actively bolstering that worlds defenses you are in fact creating a massive resistance network. We find out in legion that other worlds had resisted the legion’s initial invasion only to gain their full attention and be conquered properly. Imagine though every world resisting and being prepared for their conflict with the legion, yes arguably the legion would still win eventually but their conquest would have slowed to a crawl, and that would have bought the universe far more time than the army of the light ever could have. Instead of doing this though they lead the legion to countless worlds of unprepared inhabitants. So I say again at best this is gross negligence and at worst blatantly sacrificing others to continue existing.
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Virtually all of it. They knew the Legion was looking for them, they knew how powerful they were, they knew how unstoppable they were. It’s entirely their fault, and any anger the orcs hold against them is justified. There’s no way around this.
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And again as shown quite clearly in Rise of the Horde, the orcs were clearly not ready to hear stories about threats coming form other worlds, nor did they have any interest in communicating with the Draenei at all. And again, need I remind you that the Draenei were on the planet for milllennia with no Legion showing up. They had good reason to believe thay had slipped the Legion this time and being grounded… they weren’t going anywhere.
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You will have to indicate were in Rise of the Horde it says that. Hell, the reason the turn on the Draenei is because their Ancestors told them that the reclusive and alien draenei were scheming to bring doom to the horde. It there was one thing orcs understand it is threats. They lived on a world where you survived by being well armed and ready for any threats.
Add to that that Velen quite clearly saw them as potential allies against the Legion because he approached them to try and talk to them but he left it till the orcs were starting to mobilize against the Draenei due to Legion interference. However he clearly saw the orcs as ready to hear such threats and an asset in fighting the Legion. He, and the other Draenei, just left it far too late to act on that.
Hell from Chronicles 2 we learned that most tribes didn’t consider the Draenei a threat because they kept to themselves apart from trading and never showed any sign of aggression. It wasn’t till Maraad and a group of Vindicators wiped out the Bladewind tribe after the Bladewind launched repeated raids on Draenei supply caravans that the orcs started seeing the Draenei as a credible threat. Perhaps ironically, in showing the Draenei were dangerous to mess with, Maraad made the orcs see the Draenei as a potential enemy.
Further, assuming WoD is in anyway representative, we know the Rangari interacted with the other orc tribes. Much of the survival knowledge the Rangari had in Gorgrond was learned from interacting with the Laughing Skull.
again these are not mitigating circumstances in the slightest. You don’t start a conversation by saying all of your beliefs that you have held for generations is wrong and your ancestors are being drawn towards a naaru. You have to start with trading, and communicating build a relationship with the races not drop it all at once. They had no reason to believe they had escaped at all they had been found each time and we have no reference of the time window it usually took to find them for all we know each world could have taken just as long on every world they fled to.
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Note: I don’t have Chronicles 3 yet, so I don’t know if there’s new info from what I’m saying here.
The Draenei were in space for thousands and thousands of years, and we don’t know for certain how many planets they visited during their exodus aside from Shar’gel and Draenor. How do we know for certain that they didn’t try to warn people? Maybe the people of those other worlds didn’t believe them, or maybe they did try to fortify themselves for an oncoming attack, or hid, but the Legion still found them? Getting full records of everything that took place over those ~25 millennia doesn’t seem plausible, so we can only really speculate about what might have happened (and head canon/RP it - the gaps in Draenei lore are what make it fascinating to me personally).
We may not know literally everything that took place while they escaped the Legion, but we know that they did at least try to hide their tracks, based on things like Tuurem being shrouded by special crystals. I think, at worst, the Draenei were too trusting of the Naaru’s guidance.
Its adorable that whenever this idiotic question gets brought up it’s always conveniently forgotten that the Draenei crashed on Draenor. They didnt arrive by choice, nor did they stay by choice.
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I’d genuinely forgotten this.
EDIT: Was it confirmed sabotage like the Azeroth crash or something else?
This too.
Their Naaru engines, specifically K’ara, were dying.
EDIT: Whoops, originally said it was K’ure.
I believe the crash was caused by the Naaru piloting entering their void state
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extremely condescending, and also adorable that you can see what the orcs did and state that nothing about the legion deceiving them is in the slightest a mitigating factor but do mental gymnastics to absolve the draenei of all fault. if the draenei were really as righteous as you are trying to make them out to be they would have plotted their course into a star or uninhabited world or just died in space rather than bring about the ruin of an entire world.
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I know this might be implausible, but the Orcs could have also decided that Ner’zhul was full of crap with the “prophecies” given by his Kil’jaeden-wife, and they could have just not drank the demon Flavor-Aid.
Yes how rude of them to not just accept total and complete annihilation and extinction.
Also bold of you to assume, that anything could have been done to alter the trajectory of the ship.
Anything for those poor put upon Orcs though huh?
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Going to be honest, if my neighbors were a bunch of warmongering, slave-having orcs I probably wouldn’t breathe a word about the cosmic power-gifting bad guys chasing me.