So we all know that the draenei were running from the burning legion going from world to world and escaping as the legion arrived. every world the draenei ran to the legion found them and that world was purged. Every time the draenei stepped foot on a new world it was a death sentence for the natives of that world, and the draenei never felt the moral obligation to at the very least inform the inhabitants of those worlds. So how much blame do they have in the legion finding the orcs?
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Not enough to justify the Road of Glory.
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Maybe so but if the orcs had know and united to stand against the legion with the draenei the only difference between our timelines path of glory and theirs would be that it was made of both draenei and orc bone.
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Wouldnât the Legion have found Draenor anyway though in their cosmic warpath, either decades or centuries later? Most of the universeâs worlds have probably already been conquered by then.
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thatâs true to but it was stated in chronicles that Draneor was way out in the boonies of the great dark beyond, one of the reasons it attracted the draenei the world was fairly unremarkable and so far from anything relevant that it could have gone a very long time without being noticed had an agent charged soley with finding the draenei not been in pursuit. It also comes down to like I stated above shouldnât they feel some type of moral obligation to at least inform the inhabitants of what is going to happen so they could make some type of preparations for an invasion.
Draenor had
the orcs
the ogres
the gronn
the arikoa
the sabermaw
they could have very well mounted a proper defense against the legion we know that azeroth wasnât the only world to pull it off through the demon hunter artifacts. Granted those that resistant planets were just re invaded later and taken but it would have given them something as opposed to the complete destruction of draenor that they saw.
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As grandblade said not enough to justify the road of glory, but probably enough that if the other races of draenor were given the ability to condemn them, they likely would for not warning ANYONE, of the crazy interstellar demonâs lead by a man named the deciever.
The Draenei did mess up a lot in their colonization of draenor, as they effectively were just trying to hide when the burning legion had found them a thousand times before. While im certain there was some risk of corruption, the similarly light obsessed arakkoa would have made amazing allies against the legion, and the ogres had the abilities to resist magic at the time, including fel.
Ultimately the Draeneiâs isolationism was what destroyed draenor more then any other race, but since that was born through fear and not malice i dont think they really can be punished for it. Hated sure, but not punished.
Still want to know what the draeneis indirect kill count is via leading the legion to inhabited planets though.
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whether an act of malice or an of fear the results were the same wouldnât you agree? not saying the purge was justified but it was somewhat of a self inflicted wound.
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I think the dumbest part for me was the fact the draenei had no preparation for when the legion found them. Their ship was busted up pretty badly so they couldnât just run away at the first sign of trouble (though Kilâjaedanâs plan was to prevent that even if they could), and that means they needed to either stand their ground or die. If it was a proper legion invasion the draenei would be wiped out to the last, they were actually lucky it was the less powerful orcs.
They needed to try and prepare the planet for the coming of the legion, and it is far easier to defend with allies.
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While the Draenei technically lead the Burning Legion to Draenor and really the only reason KJ bothered to corrupt the orcs was because he wanted to avoid spooking Velen into running again, it doesnât do anything to justify what happened to them. Frankly the Draenei were kind of in a lose/lose situation there. If anything their greater mistake was doing very little to prepare for if and when the Legion found them.
It is also true that the Legion would have found Draenor eventually. It might have been much later but it almost certainly would have happened.
However, the greatest irony of the whole thing is the corruption of the orc probably saved the Draenei race. KJ had a massive obsessive hate for Velen and the Draenei, to the point that Archimonde called him out for chasing them rather than focusing on the Legionâs crusade.
The Draenei had no way off Draenor and if the Legion had invaded traditionally they would have almost certainly been doomed. KJ didnât realise they couldnât run this time so he relied on using native proxies to avoid spooking the Draenei. However this allowed some of the Draenei to go into hiding as KJ, sated by the slaughter, left the orcs to finish off the job and without KJâs oversight they lost focus and started fighting amongst themselves over dwindling resources rather than hunting down the Draenei survivors.
A very dark and ironic story. In the end the corruption of the orcs and the general chaotic nature they devolved into allowed both races to survive the attentions of the Legion. It is kind of like that without Garrosh we never would have stopped Sargaras raising his dark Pantheon and Azeroth would be doomed.
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I can agree with that given the situation they had the moral obligation to prepare the planetâs defenses against an impending invasion I mean they had a thousand years if I remember right thatâs a pretty big time window.
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Absolutely none. Say a person leaves an abusive relationship, and their estranged partner finds the house/hotel/shelter theyâre taking refuge in, and burns it down. Not their fault. The point of hiding is to not be found, so you donât go running your mouth about why youâre there, and whoâs after you.
Say it with me: Victim. Blaming. Is. Wrong.
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another interesting point ironically the near destruction of both races saved them better than any planetary resistance could have.
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I dont think victim blaming can really be used to describe the draenei getting the entire planet blown up. The other races having a bone to pick with them over the fact they knew it was going to happen but decided to avoid telling anyone about it. And hiding would have been a good argument if they didnât try hiding a thousand times before with them all ending in failure.
Your analogy is faulty because eventually the abuse victim is also kinda faulty in that, while they arent directly responisble for the events and itâs someone who hates their guts, the abuse victim had means other then running away to stop the abuser. In real life they would take the case to the police, who would stop the abuser.
Also pretty sure we have laws about people getting killed because of negligence, and itâs still pretty bad. Your endangering other people as well as yourself in it by fleeing to houses, and itâs never worked before, so your just getting people killed in an attempt to save yourself.
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Except thatâs a false equivalency, the inhabitants were not informed of the situation, nor were they given a choice to shelter them or not. Itâs more like taking refuge in a families attic without that families knowledge while a serial killer is actively tracking your location and finds that house killing the family before they come for you. Yes you are a victim but they are now also victims due directly to you bringing them in harmâs way.
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If you knew that your presence put those around you in danger, and didnât warn them so that they might be better prepared, then you are doing wrong by those you failed to warn.
If this is as simple as âyou canât blame anyone whoâs a victim,â then you canât blame the orcs either. They were victims of Kilâjaedenâs subterfuge, after all.
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Whatever blame you want to assign the Draenei, theyâve more than paid for it in blood. Their cities were burned and they were brutally massacred by the Orcs in an unprovoked slaughter.
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The Draeneiâs situation was terrible and it is kind of unfair to blame them but it wasnât the first time the Legion had tracked them down and they had already left other worlds burning in their wake. Velen felt guilt over it but went along with it because the Naaru used the logic âwell the legion would have burned down a world during that time anywayâ. At best the Draenei were guilty of naĂŻve optimism that the Legion wouldnât find them again. At worse it was blatent negligence.
I have had a theory that the Naaru knew what would happen on Draenor and let it happen to throw the Legion off the Draeneiâs sent. Horrible to be sure but from Velenâs description the Naaru were willing to allow horrible things to happen for the greater good.
This is very true. The Draenei suffered terribly for their involvement, regardless of âblameâ, far more than would ever be just. Both races involved got their civilisation and culture ravaged.
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Iâm sure (most of us) dont think the draenei deserved to be wiped out, but we do think that anger and hatred irected towards them is completely understandable. The Draenei messed up in a way that got 3 of the largest civilizations destroyed and a fourth forced to inter-stellarly emigrate.
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A rather subjective claim wouldnât you say? does that redeem the countless other races of outland who had no hand in the purge but were wiped out just the same? what about the countless worlds destroyed by this same action? are they to forgive them as well? thatâs the point iâm making it isnât a genocide of malice that the draenei committed but rather a genocide of negligence.
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Hereâs the thing. When the Orcs decided to massacre the Draenei, they had no knowledge of the latterâs origins. So you really canât say that the Orcs were justified because they knew what had happened to the worlds the Draenei had settled in before.
The Draenei and the Orcs had been stated to have lived in peaceful avoidance of each other. Please let me know in detail what offense the Draenei committed ON Dreannor to provoke the anger of the Orc clans.
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