And by that, I mean… how long has she been thinking about this plan to eradicate life to fuel some unseen force with the deaths of so many? I’m trying to think about her character in Warcraft 3 and previous expansions and I can’t really pinpoint when she decided to help/serve this “death”. Was this something revealed to her by Helya?
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Probably since the end of WotLK when she offed herself. It’s likely through the Val’kyr she made her arrangement.
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WTF is “Death” anyway. Are Blizz going Marvel style here?
Cuz I always thought Death was a subset of Shadow/Void…
Before Legion. Probably before Wrath. Probably before Vanilla. Varimathras tried to warn us. Few of us listened.
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So what she saw upon her death (again) led her to this conclusion that all life needed to be ended to serve this death… whoever this Death personage is.
Previously it always seemed like her motivation toward the whole “death to the living” was more about her being upset that she is forced into a cursed undeath life by Arthas. The idea that she’s serving something is kind of confusing to me I suppose. Sylvanas doesn’t seem like someone who likes taking orders from anyone. The idea that someone might be her master is kind of weird to me.
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No. It started before that. Varimathras was aware of it. He was killed before ICC was reached.
Since the Chronicle Ep 1 forces chart it’s been a different force than the Void entirely.
Remember, “they do not live, they do not die, they are outside the cycle”
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Yep. There are Shadowlords, too. I’m betting she’s working for Helya. A vrykul refers to her as death when you ask him why she isn’t dead.
Either Helya, Mueh’zala, or potentially another Death force entirely we don’t know about.
And to think she tried to renege on the deal by killing herself… She is clearly not intelligent unlike her employer.
Gul’dan seems aware of the deal too since he mentions that Death will inherit Azeroth. The Inner Demon AKA Sargeras states that “he will have this Titan.”
Seems Sargeras is also in service to Death.
What is Death? Remember the Light and Void we see are mere shades of the true Light and Void. The true Void that seeks oblivion that caused the great clash between Light and Void is not the same Void in which the Void Lords reside in.
Everyone on Azeroth who saw Sylvanas’s Death Magic couldn’t recognize it presumably because it is the True Void/Nothingness that even Shadow/Darkness fears.
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That makes no sense. If all Sylvanas wanted was everyone dead during Legion, not blowing the horn at the Broken Shore seems like the most effective way to ensure everyone on Azeroth dies.
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I don’t think this follows.
You can’t kill everything if everything is a demon being reborn every time it dies.
Demons aren’t a natural race. They’re natural races that are tainted into becoming demons.
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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Gul%27dan_(tactics)#Quotes
“Your pathetic Horde will fall to dust. In the end, death will inherit this world… and she will be waiting.”
That just suggests that Gul’dan doesn’t care, not that Sargeras made a deal with death.
Absolutely what I’m thinking. It’s either a recent thing with Helya, or it’s been as long as she had her Valkyr.
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Then how did Varimathras know?
I’d take Vari’s word with a grain of salt as both a Legion agent and a Dreadlord.
But even then, we don’t know what he’s actually talking about in his prologue to the battle. We still have yet to see this grand betrayal Alliance-side and his ‘darkness’ could be really… anything. It implies Sylvanas KNEW Vol’jin (or another WC) would bite it to put her in a position to pull of this plan. I find that far-fetched personally as she curses the Loa in BTS.
He could have known, which makes Sylvanas forever evil, which is stupid. Or he could just be spitballing nonsense. Again. Dreadlord.
Who knows anymore…
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Did he really know, though? Or did he simply had conjecture. At most he vaguely alluded to what was to come.
But… he was right? This isn’t some mastercraft writer like Stephen King. This is Blizzard. If Varimathras said it, and he was right, chances are likely he was being honest.
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- Varok Saurfang says: "In the end, death claims us all." Eitrigg told me those were among the last words Sylvanas spoke to Vol'jin.
Blizzard still has time to retcon that Sylvanas was behind everything at the Broken Shore after all.