I like the idea of being able to get 470 gear from challenging solo content, but I think it’s going to take too long into this patch to get there. It will only be a few more weeks before heroic nyalotha is farm and everyone’s got 460+. By the time I can do a five mask vision the 470 gear will barely be an upgrade if at all.
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Welcome to why Visions are totally useless for gearing. They’re more or less gated by corruption resistance and research. The process of improving those things to be able to get rewards that are anything close to relevant takes much longer AT ALL LEVELS than just playing alternative content.
Even getting 430 gear right now is a pain. You have to clear 2 side wings + the main boss. Which some folks can definitely do now, but… why? Mythic 0 Dungeons are freely available and drop the same with no thought required. And most of the people geared enough to get the 430 stuff are above 430.
The only people who might get some gearing benefit out of Visions are the people who refuse to touch any content they can’t queue for. When they eventually are capable of getting 445+ gear, it will become useful to them. Assuming they’re capable. Given how strong some of the research is, I suspect basically everyone will be capable, but we’ll see.
But for people who are willing to do organized content at any level? Visions only exist for the essences you can get and for cloak upgrades.
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Honestly you probably never will.
You’re only going to get, at max, 1 piece of 470 from visions per week. That’s it. And from how it looks, the challenge to complete a 5 mask solo is going to be emmense, requiring either a really specific toolkit (so almost impossible for some classes) or a mega Ilevel, which as you said will mean doing them for gear will be pointless.
Obviously with a group it will be easier, but my guess is that a 5 mask clear will be close to doing a +15 or more likely a 20 in the timer. She’ll be tough. (could be wrong tho)
Visions are basically there to increase the cloak power which nerfs other content, and to get a couple essences if you want them.
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No, it depends on the skill of your group and/or your own (if solo), the researchs helps you push further, im already doing masks runs with cloak 7, eventually when you can clear with 5 masks you can get a piece from every tier of rewards weekly, this means a 470, 465, 460, 455 etc with each one of them with a chance to corrupt, which so far is pretty good for visions.
You’re an ilvl 450 Demon Hunter, my man.
You fit the bill. You already have the gear you’re currently capable of earning via Visions. Even if you’re doing Mask runs.
But it helps you get gear, since you can get every tier of reward in a week going from the best clear you get and down from there, its not just a weekly item, which is pretty good, it obviously isnt a gearing path compared to m+ and/or raid, but its an appreciated extra source of gear, think about doing a 5 mask full clear with a group, this means all of them get a tradeable 470, this is great.
My friend you are the absolute S tier Class for soloing content, especially the visions. My DH smashes it to pieces and she’s not even as geared as you.
Casters have a terrible time in here. So the OP was asking more if he can farm 470 gear on his own or when he can do that. The answer is “possibly never”.
By the time you can get 470s, you dont wanna solo anyways, being able to trade 5 470s is too strong to pass.
Yes, agreed. But the OP was asking when he can solo farm 470s lol that’s what we’re answering for him.
And the answer to that question is that in his case he won’t be able to, not if he’s trying to farm gear to progress.
Yeah, visions work as an alternate source of gearing since they probably have a higher chance to corrupt, so they can be an upgrade, but the gearing paths are the same atm, m+ and/or raid, visions right now are an extra only.
As someone who runs visions on a DH, monk and mage, I have to say that DH is ridiculously overpowered for them. At cloak rank 1, I was already able to solo a side objective and the main boss. By rank 5, I could clear both side objectives+boss and at rank 7, can easily clear 2 sides+1 hard+boss. All of this was at 440-445ish (I’m 450 now).
At the same ilvl, my monk is another story. I can do what my DH does minus one objective. So I can clear a medium+hard+main boss, but don’t think I can comfortably do both medium objectives+hard+main boss.
My mage has been rough though. So many anti-caster mechanics. Like the two guards before the main boss in Stormwind… God are they annoying. I just sheep one now, but other trash is also extremely anticaster friendly.
Well they are if you are in a group. But if you’re doing them solo as the OP suggests then it’s not really a good gearing up strategy.
Like DH and possibly rogues will be able to clear a 5 mask at maybe 460ish if they’re on top of their game. My mage hates this stuff though the side areas are so goddam annoying. DH the side areas make it feel like how it always plays - jumping around being crazy lol
So for caster classes i bet they’re going to need Mythic level gear BEFORE they can solo clear. At which point, sure they might get a corrupted piece, but probably won’t have any need or it
The aberration on the mage quarter is legit a f you to casters, casters will solo eventually, but in a slower pace than the good solo classes, all the casters i know do them in group and it goes great, but solo is a pita for them.
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That’s what I’ve been trying to avoid. I find grouping to be harder than soloing. I’ve ran a few with friends that I run 15-20 keys with and you’d be surprised how poorly the runs could end up… It was almost embarrassing.
Yah grouping is such a gamble. In a way there is more to be aware of and communicate in Visions then there is in M+ and other tough content. And 1 person can mean a fail run with almost no outcome at all. It’s pretty tough.
I Do not envy a single player who only plays priest solo… /shudder
Shadow priest isn’t bad at all solo if you have the right gear and essences for it.
Ehhhhh it’s pretty tough in visions once you hit the “here just jump for no reason” area. I’m not saying they’re bad, but you can’t compare a shadow priest to a rogue or DH in this. They’re playing totally different games at that point lol
The jump doesn’t bother me on my priest. The burrowing tentacles are a pita since i lack the burst to kill them in a 4s stun. Of course parking everything in the fire solves a lot of problems.
Honestly the tentacles are worse you’re right. They’re annoying even with a stun lol
how the hell you do that in stormwind