How long are we going to argue over Msv and Rsv

Bliz has been ruining specs for a long time, they ruined ret pally after cata, ruined boomkin more times than i can count, ruined windwalker after panda, ruined affliction warlock, etc etc. Surival is actually fun to play now so they will probably ruin it too so we have another worthless spec like surival always was. go play marks you cry babies

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Worthless to you maybe. It’s obvious that you did not like it.
But yours is not the only preference found amongst the playerbase.

Marks doesn’t play like the old RSV did. Not even close.

So nah, I’ll rather continue with what I’m doing now.

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Current SV is just a warrior spec though. If you don’t like ranged specs, then of course you won’t like actual Hunter specs. Telling people that their spec doesn’t even deserve to exist just because you personally don’t like it is pretty petty.

It’s hilarious watching you, Bepples and Spinner continually tell people their opinions don’t matter while claiming you represent the majority of the hunter playerbase. Can you be any bigger of hypocrites.

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An opinion is irrelevant if it has no impact nor relevancy to the issue at hand.

A person’s favorite football quarterback is irrelevant when discussing whether tacos or burritos are better. Whether a person likes melee SV or not is irrelevant when discussing the fact that ranged SV shouldn’t have been deleted in the first place, since the introduction of melee SV didn’t necessitate in any way the deletion of ranged SV. They could have simply named melee SV something else, since otherwise it has nothing to do with the original ranged SV.

Unless of course your favorite quarterback is burrito, which frankly wouldn’t surprise me all that much.

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That’s one idiotic way of telling people only your opinion, and people who agree with you, matters on the subject. Your arguments are tantamount to those a five year old would make. The irony is that your opinion is also irrelevant, since Blizzard removed RSV and implemented MSV, and the people discussing MSV are far more on-topic with game discussions than you ever are.

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When did I ever say that his opinion doesn’t matter?

He said that the old SV was a “worthless spec, and we don’t need another ranged hunter spec”.

He made a statement of objectivity even though what he said was only about his personal opinion.

I wasn’t speaking against his opinion. Only about how he literally wrote as if he could speak for everyone else here as well.

The irony…

All this translates to, is how you want nothing but for us to stop talking about RSV.

In short, if you don’t like it then don’t read it.

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You, Bepples, and Spinner constantly “speak” for every hunter… it’s why you’re nothing but hypocrites.

I never claimed to speak for every Hunter. Quote me where I claimed that I speak for every Hunter. That said, I at least am a Hunter (unlike you), which is why I at least speak for myself when I say the things that I say.

The discussion between msv and rsv is one of clear and obvious points. Ranged SV was deleted. Ranged SV should not have been deleted, even if they wanted to introduce a new Hunter melee spec (they could have just made a new fourth spec simply without deleting any other Hunter specs). Ranged SV should be returned as a fourth spec.

These points say nowhere that melee SV should be deleted, or that people aren’t allowed to enjoy melee SV. So a person’s opinion on whether they like to play melee SV is irrelevant to that discussion. Do I need to explain to you what the word relevancy means?

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Quote me where I’ve claimed to be doing this.

I guarantee you won’t find even one post where I claim to speak for every hunter, even every hunter on this forum.

I’ve cleared nearly every mythic raid and have every single AOTC achievement. I’m far moire of a hunter than you are. By the way, for both of you, when you tell people their opinion’s don’t matter, which you’ve both done ad nauseam, while spotting your opinions as if they’re gospel… if the shoe fits.

You’re the same guy who justified blizzards cause for giving pets a 6 second rez timer lol. There is absolutely no way you play a hunter at high end game play in any type of content to justify that change.

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You keep accusing us of doing this.

Better back that up with something other than your words…

(Again, I can guarantee that you won’t find anything to back that up. As none of us have EVER said that other opinions don’t matter)

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Hunter isn’t getting a 4th spec, no matter how much you cry about it.

People are going to continue to ask for RSV back no matter how much you cry about them asking for it. Take your own advice, move on from it. Now that Blizz has given Frost DK’s 2 handers back because they kept “crying” about it will encourage those that lost RSV to keep asking for it back. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Will never know if we don’t keep asking.

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Must’ve missed the part where this, which you just said, hold any relevancy whatsoever to that of your previous post/accusation.

You just got caught in another lie, thus changing the focus towards something else. Big surprise there…


Also, like Ãsher said, the only way we will know for certain that RSV is never coming back in any form, is when/if no one talks about it or asks for it to return.

People “cried” (your words) over the return of Vanilla WoW for over a decade. Others said the exact thing to them as you do to us right there. Look where we are now…

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Okay and this holds any relevance to the discussion how? Do you think just because you did mythic raiding that your opinion is more valuable then anyone else’s?

Yeah no. I can’t dispute that you’ve cleared mythic raids, but I don’t know if you did them on a hunter, on a warlock, on a paladin, etc. What I do know is you didn’t do them on that little warrior you got there.

Even if you did them on a hunter, that doesn’t make you “more of a hunter” then anyone else. I’ve literally been playing a hunter since vanilla. I could be a “big bad mythic raider” too if I cared about raiding. I stopped caring and being serious about raiding in BC because it feels too much like a 2nd job to me.

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Then why don’t you just post on your Hunter to show us? We already know that you’re willing to change characters or even accounts when this character has already been pinned as a massive troll. So why not just change to your Hunter if you have one?

Well for one, if he doesn’t actually play a Hunter, then his input on what should happen to the Hunter class matters far far less. Especially when his input amounts to nothing more than this:

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I’ve told you before I play on EU… you’re either illiterate or conveniently forget every time this topic comes up. It’s also cute the LFR Dawn decided to hop in. Your whole band in one place.

Oh, I’m sorry what?

Projection at it’s finest. Go look at my profile again and oh what’s that 9/12 normal on ny’alotha. Yeah… that looks like more than LFR again. But I reiterate, it wouldn’t matter if I didn’t do any content, your opinion isn’t any more valuable then anyone else’s.

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