Funny thing about AMG HORDE RACIALS OP… Horde racials primarily counter CC. Are you incapable of winning fights where your opponent is able to fight back? God i can only imagine how you react to people that roll with FAPs/LAPs or a Mithril Insignia that are IMMUNE to those same forms of CC for THIRTY SECONDS.
If you are that crutched on your opponents being completely unable to defend themselves that a 1 in 4 chance for a stun to fail or a 5s fear immunity can completely destroy you… its a you problem, not a racial problem.
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I think maybe you are the true black hole
People ain’t rolling Horde for Orgrimmar my man, people are rolling Horde more because of the racials and the fact they’re better in most cases
For some reason you went into which is stronger in specific situations which has nothing to do with why Horde is locked
You weirdos always derail to try to prove something when you’re just rambling at this point. Most people don’t do premades, most people want to just wPvP
Horde being more popular doesn’t mean alliance racials are bad.
Both factions have two races with incredibly strong PvP racials, and two races with either worthless or okayish PvP racials.
If horde racials are stopping you from WPvP it sounds like a skill issue.
If I’m just rambling, then tell me why Stoneform, Escape Artist, and Paladins aren’t as valuable as Hardiness, WotF, and Shamans. Like if you can give me a detailed response that shows you know what you’re talking about then I’ll respect your opinion but as of now your entire argument is feelsies.
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I never said Alliance racials are bad… but for people to choose a faction equally on a PvP server they would have to buff one of them or outright change one of them. Do you honestly believe Horde would still be picked more if they gave Humans Every Man for Themself?
The imbalance comes from the CCs they target, it doesn’t matter which one is better for whatever situation the bottom line is Stun Resist and a Fear removal are much better all around in most cases. Resisting a stun or removing a fear is much more beneficial than removing a root or a blind.
I never said they’re stopping me from wPvP, I love crushing Orc and Undead scum under my boot. Doesn’t mean one side doesn’t have better racials. The niche nature of Alliance racials make the tea-bagging session after much more powerful.
Paladin is a class, not a racial. I would love to see you try and play an Alliance Warlock with everyone and their mother running around with WotF
I’m just saying it how it is, you’re the one with the massive feelsies
No, so you’re making my point for me. If Alliance got EMFH then they would not only be better in group PvP, but solo PvP as well. Making them overwhelmingly the dominant faction. Both factions having their own niche is a much better balance.
Priests get access to stun resistance in their talents and then some. Paladins also get additional blind, fear, and silence resistance in talents. Every single class that Undead have access to have other avenues to break out of fear including their PvP trinket. Fear Ward is also OBJECTIVELY better than WotF, refer back to stun resistance talents. PALADINS CAN MAKE THEMSELVES IMMUNE TO ANYTHING AND REMOVE ANY PREEXISTING HARMFUL EFFECTS, meanwhile Shamans are crippled by curse of tongues if it isn’t decursed.
So you do in fact understand. Horde racials are just easier to use. That is it. Alliance racials can be just as strong. The reason Horde is the more popular faction is because it’s the easier faction to play in PvP. All the good PvPers I know that don’t play alliance at all don’t do it because it’s bad, they just don’t enjoy it aesthetically.
Look man, if you honestly believe Horde is getting locked out of character creation for any other reason than racials there is nothing to argue about
You’re still locked on the strengths of them when that is not even what we’re talking about, if Humans had Every Man for Themself Alliance would 100% be locked out just like the Horde players in this thread
Who cares what you think is stronger, the bottom line is most players roll Horde for the racials. Every time there is a PvE server it leans Alliance due to Paladins and whenever there is a PvP server it leans Horde due to racials
If premades are going to skew your entire opinion then go for it, but most players do not do premades
I never once argued that Horde wasn’t popular because their racials.
I’m arguing that Alliance need buffs to their racials for PvP. They do not. Alliance racials are fine, they’re just not the more popular pick.
Mage is infinitely easier to use and find success with than warlock, but warlock is the higher skill cap class. All because mage is easy doesn’t mean warlock needs buffs.
If you’re only referring to premades then sure I can agree with that but its the class difference makes up the imbalance, not their racials. But as mentioned before most people do not do premades.
Alliance racials in most cases are only good against Rogues, and Mages for some classes
If you gave Horde Paladins and Alliance Shamans it is no question which faction would be stronger in PvP.
Premades aren’t the only form of group PvP. Pug BGs or even just zoning into BRD with your five man group matters. I feel infinitely more confident playing Alliance with a good comp than Horde with a good comp. Horde are constantly throwing haymakers and will eventually run out of gas. Alliance throw jabs and never get tired.
I’ll say you did give a detailed argument and defended your opinion well, but I’ve wasted ten years of my life just playing vanilla PvP and my experience makes me disagree with you (partially).
They just need to make Will of the forsaken share 30 seconds of cooldown with trinket and reduce 8% of stun resist from Hardiness, and you get healthy factions ready to kill each other in a balanced way.
Please blizzard, it’s just 2 minor changes, im undead rogue and I don’t want the server to get empty from the alliance side because disadvantages at world pvp or battlegrounds or there won’t be anyone left to kill, or at least let me create alliance toons too so I can help the alliance troops and trenches against horde!
I just don’t want the world pvp and battlegrounds die! Classic is amazing let it last please, you already did a step forward when balancing faction population, now we need this!
Wrong. Pvp server is everything. Never a dull moment hes doing him a favor by recommending nightslayer
On the whole from my experience horde are more mature and generous with buffs in the world then alliance. Alliance tend to be more greedy and selfish… not all but overall in general
That’s alright gimmie more orcs n cows… my bow hungers…
Kek. CC is the most important part of WoW PvP and always has been. Pretending like “not using CC” is a “fair fight” is total nonsense. If you don’t stun your opponent (lets say…25% of the time), he’s going to use that opportunity to stun, CC, or one-shot you. The fast TTK is what makes vanilla PvP so good - and it also means CC is very important.
Orc and UD have the best racials for PvP, followed by Tauren in tier S-. If you don’t want to get accused of playing with training wheels then roll Alliance or Troll.
Once again, if you are so crutched up on your opponent not being able to defend themselves AT ALL that you completely fall apart when 25% of stuns dont work or they can immune Fear for 5 seconds… how do you handle FAPs or Mithril Insignia enjoyers? Are those auto-win against you as well? Do you completely fall apart when theyre deployed?
Its 100% a you problem, not a game problem.
You hate WoW PvP. CC is the most important part of WoW PvP.
The answer to FAP is literally more CC. Every class that cannot win with FAP on the opponent can counter with a CC that FAP doesn’t block. (poly, blind/sap, scatter/trap). The others can dispel it, or don’t have stuns, or are paladins.
Why didn’t you make a troll shaman, by the way?
Oh, so you can handle 30 seconds of stun immunity, but cant handle a 1 in 4 stun failure rate.
Weird.
You can handle 30s of fear immunity, but not 5s.
Baffling.
Almost like your crying has no basis in reality and youre doing it like a toddler that wants someone else to not have something purely out of spite.
You have to handle both, sweetie. If you’re horde, you only have to handle one.
Why didn’t you make a troll shaman?
