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I get high mastery, heal and flash heal with this and pull roughly 85-90k hps with this build at 460 ilvl. With the build divine image build I pull roughly 3-5k hps higher but I feel I don’t run as smoothly.
It’s not very good. I’m not sure why you would take lightweaver instead of Miracle Worker. It’s obviously not a raid spec and for m+ it’s not great, either. Also, why do you want mastery for m+? I guess in low keys your stats probably don’t matter much.
If it works for you for what you’re doing and you like it though, then I think it’s probably just fine. If you want to do higher keys or something you maybe will want to change some things.
I like it because each HW you can a 50% increased heal or flash heal. I like its burst also with the tier set you do not need miracle worker. My highest heal was a 590k. I can’t do that with the divine image build.
I’m assuming this is for M+ since you have dps talents.
I recommend a Miracle Worker + Divine Image path instead for these reasons.
Lightweaver itself is only equal to a +25% healing bonus to Flash Heal if you factor in the Heal / Flash Heal weaving whereas Divine Image is +21% replicated Flash Heal healing for 8s and you can stack it. 2 stacks of Divine Image is almost like your casting Flash Heal with the power of Lightweaver. Also, Divine Image buffs all your heals + damage.
You can maintain a 70-80% uptime on Divine Image on bosses.
I like the setup you’re talking about. It’s not wrong to pick that it’s certainly meta; however, I picked what I have because of trail of light and heal. I spent all day comparing my build to a build similar to what you are saying and it was fairly equal and my top two heals for my build was mastery, heal, HW serenity, PoM, flash heal and, trail of light. I pull similar hps for both builds. The only thing I find fun with the build you’re explaining is my prayer of mending and the readiness of hws but my heal which can crit for the size of a hw: serenity or higher is what I like about my build. With my build is that you can double up on apotheosis and divide word and get some really high hps. This is opposed to lower healing and more expensive healing from flash heal and a moderately healing hw: serenity. Basically I’m saying that the resonant words with heal and divine word buff are more worth it to me than the other rotation. I’m 460 and healing 18-20s already so I think my build is worth something.
But like I said they are both fairly balanced.
If you look at details at the end of the run you’ll see that your mastery is at the very least 50% over healing, even if you see it ranked highly for total healing.
It just isn’t effective healing and stacking it will hurt you overall, especially as you push your way into 20s.
I don’t think most people care about over healing. Like, the only people I ever see even mention or worry about this are top of the top end players, that’s it.
It’s been working for them going to 20, so I mean yeah and you can heal with doing no dps up until +23,+24 or so level keys, with no damage being done on an entire key as long as your DPS players aren’t slacking at least anyways.
I have been running this build with some modifications for sw: death and I pushed from 1570 to 1770.
4 holy fires (3 empyreal blaze) with 2 sw: deaths makes a great finisher can divine ascension into a nice barrage for a finisher. Also with apotheosis you can stun every 3-4 smites
No, generally you wouldn’t care about overhealing as long as people aren’t dying and you’re not ooming yourself doing it.
The issue with our mastery and overhealing for m+ is that you usually have to top someone before the mastery gets its full value otherwise they’ll die to a cast going through or boss mechanic popping off etc.
That’s why it’s a bad stat for m+
They really do need to overhaul Mastery to work like it does on tanks. It gives both attack power and damage mitigation.
Versatility is better for M+ because it increases your damage + healing and more importantly reduces how much damage you take. Even with just 10-15% mastery Echo of Light still overheals by 50% in keys.
It’s pretty hard to stack high versatility though for M+ because of needing to mix-match stats with tier.
Avoidance is also really valuable this season with how much AOE damage goes out. Every 400 avoidance is 6% damage reduction.
I can see blizz not doing this because then every healer will just stack mastery + X.
Maybe I’m wrong, but most healers don’t value mastery in m+ and something definitely needs to change.
Most healers don’t value mastery for raid healing either. Holy is one of the few exceptions because our spec is throttled by cooldowns and those abilities do the bulk of our healing so you want to maximize their throughput (i.e. why crit + mastery works).
For holy I like our mastery but for Disc i think mastery should be essentially something like Divine Aegis. Or they could split the tree into a new spec and have a Aug-like support class for people that love damage and leave the people that love disc for it’s shielding with just that. There is so much space being taken up that could go to healing talents on the disc tree that i wish were for shield and damage reduction things. Maybe hero talents will change this.
I also run Lightweaving instead of Miracle Worker. I like it better - the buffs to heal helped. I run high vers, leech, and lightweaving with binding heal so I really only have to heal 3 targets and get trail of light also.
Yes I run lightweaver, pontifex, resonant words with divine word and I love the the big heals I get. Heal is usually tied with mastery at 20-25 million healing with 10-15million over healing. Trail of light heals 6-8million and has 5-6milliong over-healing
Another build I like especially for bursting is the prayer of mending build where you get divine image with epiphany and answered prayers. I can keep PoM on everybody and have abundant instant caste spells at my disposal. It’s the only thing I like about it besides POM. With the aforementioned build that’s mainly ST. I pull 5-8 million in healing from POM but with the POM build I can pull 12-14 million in POM alone. And the divine image heals about 10million.
This is based on doing at least 100-120million over all in a key
How are you compiling your data? And found similar HPS for all builds?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m quite glad other skills and builds are used than the ones I prefer, even if not for me at all.
You are right to ask this. I typically run 10 or more dungeons a day and I run one build for the dungeon and try to run the other for the same dungeon. I also will run both builds for dungeons I think they will be good in. After all this, I will just look at the overall for each dungeon and try to remember which build I ran for what.
The build this post is talking about uses pontifex, resonant words, light weaver and divine word. It’s a high st build and you likely to run into a pinch if you don’t have a like of haste. The other people, that uses epiphany and answered prayer with divine image is also good I would even say it’s better by 4-8k hps I not sure why yet. It must be the extra PoM and divine image healing. But playing the build is fun to see your heals hit for 200 to +500k it out heals your mastery sometimes as wells as hw: serenity. I like the single target build for pvp especially because of the funneling target callers do.
One thing lightweaver would have over naaru is the multiplier working with mastery/50% boost and trail. I’m pretty sure naaru doesn’t work with mastery right?
Either way naaru numbers have never really impressed me, if the POM chain heal had more than like 5yd jump range id reconsider it.
I’m the weirdo that runs the 20% healing when people are low talent and lightwell because it makes me a god when things are hard.
That lightwell build literally carried me on nelth lair worm boss last season when my disc build literally couldn’t heal through it no matter what I did.
I would put a lot of value in the burst potential of heal build op has though for same reason bubble build on disc feels really good or my 0 chain heal rshaman build feels really good when it comes to constant random spike DMG especially in fort keys. Teammate randomly takes 85% of their health in damage, I press one button and they’re full HP again. Rinse repeat.
Since you are the only healer, if no one is dying the hps is essentially healing everyone to full always and since there is downtime, different builds won’t affect your hps. The amount of damage other members take will vary, specially the tank, in which some mitigate and others have tons of self healing. I wouldn’t use your hps as a gage here but rather completing your key without saveable deaths (if more healing would have prevented their death) . If you’re comfortably completing your keys without hiccups I’d just take that as face value.
Also to note, this thread started with it seemingly like you were asking for advice on the build, but it’s not really the case (which is fine). As I said earlier I’m glad there are different choices for different playstyles that work for others.
I compared Lightweaver vs Divine Image + Miracle Worker back in the day and DI + MW pretty much clapped it out.
The main reason is that you can maintain a high uptime on DI (70%+) in high intensive healing situations. It’s even stronger with the 4-piece because you have an extra Holy Word every 20s.
It also makes your Apotheosis/Answered Prayers stronger because you can have 2-3 stacks of DI out while you’re pumping out heals. It also leads to basically a flat 15-20% dps boost. Long term LW + MW makes you more mana efficient because you have to overall cast last spells to heal and you get Answered Prayers.