How is the rogue? OP like it was in vanilla?
stunlock intact etc?
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We get a talent that reduces backstab by 20 energy which should help…
but outside of that not much. It’ll be stronger than classic but every class is stronger than they were in classic so it’ll probably feel about the same
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Rogues were never “OP”
They had solid utility and good class fantasy. Stealth, picking locks, pickpcketing, solid melee dps with decent mobility and CC.
In SoD, they are being given their TBC/WoTLK dagger skills like mutilate, shiv, and envenmon (which I think is a bad move, but w/e diff topic), as well as a single target “”““Tanking””“”" spec.
They are also getting some other interesting ability like a retail like ranged attack. Instead of fan of knives, shiriken toss.
They’ll still be pvp opportunists to kill unsuspecting targets to hold down stuns for dog piling in group pvp. But otherwise they will be a good melee dps class that isn’t mana based.
Honestly, rogues got the least interesting runes and buffs.
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these are the people excited for SoD 
people who think rogues are OP in vanilla
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Naturally, bad players don’t understand the game in depth and are excited for “new shiny!”.
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I have not even checked into SoD but Rogues have always been fun vanilla and defin OP. i wanted to know if i could expect the same fun as i did back when we all first started. sorry to correct you bro
You will have fun.
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Rogues will always be fun since we can stealth. We’re getting envenom and mutilate so things will be different for sure. Not getting any heals though! Dwarf tank rogue should be wacky.
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They get an instant blink attack that puts them in position for a backstab immediately. We’ll see hoe it balances out with the rest of the runes
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I play a backstab rogue, this seems nice but I suspect its going to be excessive like many other of the new abilities… -10 would have been more balanced
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I have a feeling mutilate will totally replace backstab anyway but we’ll see. I’ll still have my cheesy backstab ambush build on era though!
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100% going to be the case, just like it was in TBC.
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Considering that muti is accessible to all builds it’s 100% gonna replace Hemo and likely SS also making Daggers BiS by a mile.
Reason being that its so energy efficient, and puts cup combo points at lighting speed.
As for PVP backstab… man its hard to say how that will play out; just depends on the burst output of Muti… will it have a smaller scaler than backstab? if so, then Backstab still has a place.
Also depends on how blizzard handles the gated leveling VS what skills you get at what levels… If that’s a thing then how we play is very different than 60 play.
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If mutilate gets the crit from the backstab talent it’ll be hard to give it up. Seal fate mutilate with high crit and frontal stabs. We’ll be spamming envenom all day.
Fast off hand daggers are going to be worthless.
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they should leave it alone…haha
every build gets mutilate just so ridiculous
yeah just wait for the Mutilate sub rogues KEK, talk about painful.
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There are some other builds that are gonna make people cry…
If they ever allowed for cloning a 60 Era into SoD I a may actually do that down the road…
I have some build ideas that would create a deluge of crying… Not even tank builds, just ridiculous burst options.
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Hot take, but rogue was the class I was disappointed with the most, when looking at their SoD stuff.
To me it kind of looked like everyone else was getting lazer belts, grappling guns, jetpacks…and rogues just get slightly sharper knives I guess? Just nothing that really stood out as super exciting.
Even their tanking thing, which was the most exciting thing by far announced for rogue, felt a bit boring in implementation, compared to some of the toys/spells other classes/specs are getting.
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Rogue’s should still be fun, we have no idea what the class meta will be so there are no guarantees there. My only hope is that with time gated leveling they will use it to relatively balance the classes. Really just in case something is falling way behind or something is outshining everything else, it doesn’t need to be perfect.
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