How is sylvanas cruelty justified at this point?

Anelaan-wyrmrest-accord · January 18, 2019, 3:21am

Spoilsport.

Alzebra-illidan · January 18, 2019, 3:23am

Umm… torturing Thomas Zelling and animating Derek Proudmoor?

I remember that Forsaken’s ideology is freedom. But in my point of view, Derek does not have freedom (chance to choose death, not to choose to become a living bomb)

Crarg-alexstrasza · January 18, 2019, 3:27am

It’s sad how happy this expansion turning out to be a dream would make me.

Withpuppys-nazgrel · January 18, 2019, 3:29am

wouldnt that erase all the allied races?

Crarg-alexstrasza · January 18, 2019, 3:30am

That is a bit of a pickle isn’t it. Honestly I’m at the point where I would accept that plothole just to be rid of this terrible expansion. Assuming we wake up at the end of legion maybe the allied races joined the horde and alliance to fight the legion.

Cursewords-tichondrius · January 18, 2019, 3:35am

At 10% I would fear people through a hole in the wall and reset the fight.

Raïne-illidan · January 18, 2019, 3:44am

Am I the only one that finds it funny how Sylvanas sees honor as something meaningless while having a bfa rep called Honorbound?

Ocmulgee-wyrmrest-accord · January 18, 2019, 3:55am

I never wanted to see a Forsaken as the Warchief and have never been a Sylvanas fanboy. BUT. After Legion, I think Sylvanas is being proactive in striking down threats who had already raised their heads and made their intent to destroy the horde well known.

Since Sylvanas took the helm, she’s stuck to the tentative truce that’s existed since the end of MoP. She did her part at the broken shore and only pulled out when overwhelming forces threatened to wipe out all racial leaders and leave Azeroths people and only defense without leadership. Had the Horde and Alliance been wiped out there, Azeroth would have been lost to the Legion, no doubt.

Still holding to the tentative truce and fighting alongside the Alliance, it was Genn who ambushed her fleet in a rage induced attempt for vengeance, against the orders of the Alliances high king. Genns daughter specifically says that he is planning to attack Sylvanas out of vengeance and vengeance alone. After that, the worgen also kill stranded, captured, injured and unarmed forsaken sailors in Aszuna. Then after the Legion is defeated, the Alliance attacks and kills Horde civilian workers who have already laid claim to resources in Silithus. Then the Night Elves (who are harboring the faction which tried to assassinate the warchief within Darnassus) send their entire army and navy to Silithus to kill the remaining Horde civilian work force and take the Horde’s resources by force. Every single above action is an act of war committed against a faction with whom the Alliance was allied. Most are likely legit war crimes.

Sylvanas (and anyone with half a brain) would know that if a faction will carry out those kinds of actions against you while you’re allied and the entire world is at risk, then as soon as the Legion was dealt with, it would probably get worse and the Horde would be even more in the crosshairs. She was proactive to attack the lands of the Night Elves which forced a withdrawl of the navy and army headed for Silithus. It was also an opportunity to remove the only fleet and port capable of taking the Hordes resources back to the Eastern Kingdoms. Strategically, it was a perfectly valid and smart plan of attack. Did she go overboard with the burning of the tree to “kill all hope”? Sure. But at least she acted instead of waiting for the Alliance to wipe out the civilian force in Silithus, take Horde resources and march on Orgrimmar or make more assassination attempts. It’s good to see deadly Alliance aggression met with an aggressive reaction.

Anelaan-wyrmrest-accord · January 18, 2019, 4:04am

Whoa there Satan.

Jmanwarrior-darkspear · January 18, 2019, 4:08am

Its a weird scenario. Blizz has said they find the Horde story more favorable but writes them as one dimensional Dick Dastardly clones. Its fine to find a one dimensional character and their actions “interesting” but it doesnt change their status. But then they renounce MOP and how none of it worked.

At this point yes Horde should embrace being the Doomaday/Kid Buus of WoW. And no mental gymnastics to justify otherwise

Nearo-emerald-dream · January 18, 2019, 5:21am

She has the Orcs, Tauren and Trolls by their green/furry/blue spheres because “Honor”. Least that’s how I interpret the name “Honorbound”.

Pyrogar-proudmoore · January 18, 2019, 5:26am

But you have to understand. By continuing to support Sylvanas as she is now, you’re only encouraging them to keep writing her this way. I’d rather have my favorite character die than continue to live as a disgrace.

And out of all characters, Sylvanas is the only one who has literal extra lives, dying should be the last concern people have about her. Maybe another death would snap her out of this madness and her to start appreciating life instead of seeking to destroy it.

Now that i think about, that would be a really cool moment if she ended up actually dying this expansion, only to surprise everyone by showing up in a later expansion to come back and save the Horde. But she just needs a break right now. No good has come out of her increased precence in the story, only frustration from both fans and non-fans of the character.

Destring-ragnaros · January 18, 2019, 5:28am

i believe that the reason why many people still supports sylvanas is because the damage that they did to the horde is pretty much irreparable, so they pretty much don’t care anymore where this story is going. i can respect that.

is sad that the narrative damage was so devastating that pretty much killed an entire faction and years of development for… this.

Grandblade-wyrmrest-accord · January 18, 2019, 5:36am

Do you think if we had seven expansions of developing Arthas as a major character, people would have sided with him when he made those choices?

Would people side with him in Stratholme, or leave with Jaina and Uther? Would they help him burn the ships, or stay behind with Muradin? Would they straight up go Scourge with him, or… well, not really an alternative if you got that far.

Verlius-kiljaeden · January 18, 2019, 5:39am

I’m sorry to say this, but killing Sylvanas won’t fix the Horde. The Horde has been intrinsically butchered by this entire plotline.

Whether or not they decide to kill Sylvanas off, the Horde isn’t gonna be able to come back from this without some stellar writing, and I do not believe they are current capable of it.

Also, Sylvanas going down will cause more damages than just her. The entire forsaken race will most likely be uprooted, butchered, and turned into a cheap and easily-palatable shell of what initially attracted people to it.

Honestly, I am somewhat confused with the mentality a lot of people have developed. Despite being adamantly opposed to the villain-batting the horde has received over the years, many people seem to be completely willing to accept it happening to Sylvanas, and let her go down as the scape-goat. Is it because she is not a leader of one of the OG Horde races, because people just have a dislike for her in particular as a character, or something else? Not trying to be confrontational to anyone, I just would like to understand other’s perspectives.

Also I’m still able to post lol

Withpuppys-nazgrel · January 18, 2019, 5:49am

but we can pretend it will, because im sure that is what blizz is gonna do

Drahliana-earthen-ring · January 18, 2019, 6:16am

Garoosh was a lot of things, but I don’t think anyone would accuse him of an abundance of wisdom.

Drahliana-earthen-ring · January 18, 2019, 6:18am

Both parties were wrong. Arthas did not take the effort that he could have done to save those of Stratholme that weren’t yet turned, and Jaina and Uther were totally irrresponsible in leaving the scene.

Pyrogar-proudmoore · January 18, 2019, 6:19am

Never said it would, she just needs to go away. Take a break from the story and come back to a clear slate. “Killing” her would be the easiest way to do it, but I like the idea of the Horde secretly sparing and exiling her after the war instead. Allows the Horde more independence from alliance “justice” and for her to come back later in a big way when the story gets its stuff together. It’s like in DBZ when Goku chose to stay dead after sacrificing himself to prevent cell from blowing up the Earth, then after everyone was allowed to heal for a good 7 years, Majin Buu showed up and Goku got rezzed and came right back with a sick new transformation, and eventually defeated him. He’s still alive to this day.

Look, point is some characters just need a break from the story and let other characters get some attention. Then after awhile, when the time is right have her return in a big epic fashion.

anon95961490 · January 18, 2019, 6:54am

It’s because she’s already be turned into a villain lmao. She has to go now. Wish it wasn’t the case but it kinda is now homie. I’d feel worse if Blizz was just like “actually everything the Horde did was totally cool. genocide and stuff is morally correct”.