Just wondering how the brewmasters are feeling?
It could be a skill issue but I feel like with my monk I’m struggling a little bit tanking.
They are in the worst state they’ve been to and blizz refuses to fix them…if you do raid content you might be fine everything else is a dumpster fire!
Raid is ok for most part. Organized M+ is fine. Not as good as some of the other tanks, but doable. That being said, for me, it’s the most boring version of Brew that I’ve played so far.
Thinking of brining my Brew to see how they perform in delves
The damage is low compared to some of the other tanks. Mobility is good. Brews and stagger need to be looked at. At this point I would be perfectly ok if they just redid the whole spec.
Obviously stagger is too hard to for blizz to balance so they keep us in this state. Warrior’s Ignore pain is like stagger 2.0.
Pretty good for me. I started as Brm soloing T8 at ilvl 567. I’m ilvl 608 and delves are a cakewalk. All tanks seem to be pretty good at soloing delves. Blood is the best tho.
Largely depends on the group/content you are in and how your build/playstyle holds up against it.
A lot of the more fervent BrM fans saying it’s great are also in M+ groups that they have been with for a while, so their builds and playstyle are clearly fitting into the group and content they are engaging with.
Most of the complaints tend to come from those who don’t have a dedicated community/group they operate within. Instead needing to rely upon LFR/G. To me this indicates a problem with the class, but I’m sure others will disagree.
Generally speaking, while I’m struggling with some Delves, mostly because I’m not willing to wait between pulls for my defenses to come off CD and Spell casters are hitting like truck-kun, my BrM is my best character for soloing Delves, note as of this post I also don’t have another tank spec/class I’m playing in TWW.
To me it often feels like some class/specs and builds are just better at supporting BrM tanking than others and can result in very different experiences. The other part is BrM has a lot going on and it’s easy to forget your DCD’s while trying to hit your rotation and/or dodging all of the ground effects and other effects.
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Pretty much this. I soloed T11 as BrM at 586 ilvl, even got the “Immortal Spelunker” title from it, that’s completing a T11 without any deaths. I can see what people mean by warriors being immortal, the one I’m leveling takes no damage, it is ridiculously tanky, will be interesting to see what kind of damage it does at 80.
They need to at the very least halve the CD of celestial brew although I’d rather see them incorporate it with purifying brew, increase healing and frequency of orbs, and make fort brew at most a 3 min cd. Having your major defensive a 6 min cd is harsh.
Compared to Season 4 where you had extra healing from fires (tier set bonus) + massive amounts of healing orbs = really really good time
This version : less healing orbs no fire heals + lack luster tier set - very very bad
Class itself is still fun
Just hope you like having a (semi) hard time getting into higher keys
Self healing is abysmal, damage output is pretty low compared to other tanks. It’s playable, but the other tanks just feel and play better right now. A lot of this will improve throughout the expansion as gear improves.
They definitely need to massively increase the rate at which orbs spawn and take a serious look at how stagger works with magic damage, as there’s a huge amount of outgoing magic damage this expac compared to the past.
It’s not all gloom and doom, but it’s definitely a bit rough around the edges.
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Brew is solid, and brewmaster is a scaling tank. We are solid now and will be gods once agi scales in later patches.
We could use a little damage bump, but between fort brew, dampen harm, celestial brew, blackout combo purify, zen med, diffuse magic and of course stagger - we have mitigation cds in addition to stagger mitigation for any situation. Learn how to rotate them and you have big mitigation for just about every pull when it’s needed. Occasionally you have nothing but we have to plenty of utility to escape dicey situations. Ring, roll, transcendence are excellent escape or placement utility.
Just overall a great tanking kit.
I am enjoying my Brewmaster. Couldn’t play as much this week due to the hurricane, but last week we cleared most dungeons on +7/+8 and we were all around i607-i609. This week we’re in the i610-i615 range and doing 10s. No problems. Granted, I don’t PuG, this is a group that’s been playing together a LONG time. But still, my Brew damage is fine, my threat is fine, my self-healing is on the lower end (500k-700k HPS) but I’m still healing myself 200% more per dungeon than any healer is healing me.
I’d perhaps argue Brew and Prot Paladin are the two weakest tanks this season, but as Equinox and Yoda are proving with their world first 12s and 13s, both Brew and Prot Paladin are definitely viable.
I’d like to see buffs to the spec, though. Same things everyone else are asking for:
- Far more Ox orbs
- Buff Expel Harm
- Adjust stagger agility scaling
- Allow stagger to work on (some?) magic damage
- More DPS (and by-proxy threat)
But are Brews playable? Absolutely. Tons of 2500-3000 rated Brews right now. I’m 2600 rated currently and I’m not even top 100 for the spec.
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I PUG everything (I am guessing most do as well) so it is what it is.
Really bothers me when people try to justify something is ‘working’ because the top ‘1%’ can do it.
The fallacy in that logic is called “hasty generalization” or “appeal to exception.”
Here’s why:
- Hasty Generalization: This occurs when someone takes an exceptional or rare case (in this case, the 1% who can do something) and generalizes it to represent the entire population. Just because 1% of people can do something doesn’t mean that it applies to the other 99%. This overlooks the broader reality of what the majority can or cannot do.
- Appeal to Exception: This happens when someone argues that a rare exception (the 1%) justifies a general rule or standard for the whole population. It’s an illogical leap to suggest that because an extremely small minority can do something, it’s reasonable to expect that everyone should be able to do it.
In essence, the fallacy is in assuming that the exceptional abilities of a few individuals can serve as justification or proof for something applying to the whole population. This ignores the larger distribution (like the 90%) that shows most people don’t fall into that same category.
The same can be said when people chime in when they include their own sentiments:
Another thing that gets me semi-heated is when someone says:
Lol, so I guess thats a good thing ? To be the worst in ‘every’ beginning expansion ?
IMO it is still the most ‘fun’ tank to play - the hardest of all - and in that case should be the most rewarding when played correctly but meh - it is what it is
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“Equinox did it”
With a dedicated group of high level players and a lot of time running these dungeons before they where live.
The better question is if Equinox can do it with a Brewmaster what could he do with a Bear?
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That’s what i been saying that for brewmasters we have to put in more work than other tanks for the same pulls. Its just go play bear or dk Theres no more output doing more work and that’s shouldn’t be like that.
have to push more buttons and skill base mit than i should do more damage than other tanks
Right. There is also a monk that leveled up in the starting zone farming herbs. I guess we all should level that way since it can be done.
If you watch his videos the group is built completely around the brewmaster with top players and best possible combination of classes. Why was this done? The answer is simple. It’s a niche market (brewmaster) and views. Creating the optimal or best case circumstance for success is not the norm nor does it represent the real world experience of the player base. It’s for entertainment. You think he is going to record pugging and the possibility of failures?
The avg demographic is not going to be running with the best case scenario and this is what should be used to see if something needs adjusting.
This logic that the top 1% did it so it must be legit is why the “Guru” Market (buy my knowledge and be like me) makes so much money and the people buying into it results always vary.
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