I need an honest answer, not gaslighting. How is brewmaster ? Personally, I find playing brew is a bit weird because they lack of def cds. There are like 1-3 long def cds (depending on builds) and 1 short def cd (CB). The cds also feel really weak. The playstyle is somehow like a mix of BDK and prot pally. Dps was kinda lackluster, I am not sure since I don’t have tier and it was before the buff.
I kinda gave up on Brewmaster myself despite loving the class/spec. It is too much effort for little to no reward and now that we do not even have high dps to bring SOMETHING to raids and groups it really feels like I am hurting every group I join.
The big thing that pushes me away is also the fact that Blizzard, for some reason, refuses to acknowledge us in any meaningful way with positive changes. Our Brewmaster post has been on the front page of the General discussion forums since Equinox-Sama posted it and it is filled with ideas and discussion Blizzard could implement.
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It’s good, can do any key other tanks can do. People that meme on it are just bad players. There are BMs doing 13s and 14s all day long in their sleep, which most people won’t even do for another month or so.
Bring the player not the class. The ONLY issue with BM is their threat is pretty bad compared to other tanks.
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You’ve come to the wrong place.
Use metrics:
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-tww-2/all/world/leaderboards/0#content
https://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/tank-rankings/mythic-plus/10/all-dungeons/this-week
https://mythicstats.com/meta
Ye, I decided on a VDH alt. I played a flood 12 on my 650 vdh today. It really felt immortal in comparison to my brew. So wish you luck on the strike for brew buff.
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Brew is fully capable of doing any of the content, but will work harder for lesser results.
To me tankiness-wise it doesn’t feel any weaker than past seasons, the tier set gives you maybe ~25% uptime on fort brew. I do miss my damage though, it’s notably feeling lower. And in general I do feel like we could use some spec talent reworking.
I mean, we’re tankier than in S1 and we are capable of doing 13s/14s and above.
However, other tanks got way better than in s1 and they do more damage and are tankier. VDH for example has basically become immortal if played right while also doing more damage, brining more stops/utility, and getting into groups a lot easier.
I can still do decent damage as Brew, and usually end runs with about 1.9-2m dps in M+ keys above 12 – its just that other tanks are going to do much more damage, take much less damage, and overall not be a burden on their healer.
As others have stated, you can still do high end keys however you are going to work A LOT harder for it than the rest. Unless you have a lot more gear and a lot more rating, group leaders will take other tanks instead of you.
The main issue is that blizzard genuinely does not care about you (as a brewmaster) the lack of communication and changes to brewmaster is pathetic. You will eventually ask your self, whats the point? and change to another tank as many others have.
If you love pain and suffering and are going through a break up or something and need some villain arc motivation, then brewmaster main is the correct choice for you.
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I talked to brewmaster the other day. He said he’s great. He is however really tired of being analyzed constantly and really wishes people could just accept him for who he is right now and have fun with him.
He also said “I don’t I’m not perfect but I’m a pretty fun guy! Look! I have brew!”
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I wish i was as tanky as the first boss in cinderbrew.
Def cds and utilities are the main problems when I play brew.
My war has 2 ST stuns + 1 very short cd AoE knock up + 1 AoE interrupt. My def cds are so short that I can rotate my def cd every 20s.
When I play brew, I have 1 long cd AoE stun and 1 RoP. I don’t feel I help my party at all. And def cds are either too weak or on very long cds.
Objectively false. It’s not all gloom and doom like many want to say, but your hyperbole in the opposite direction is equally as damaging.
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Easily the most fun tank in the game. Unfortunately, the damage output is a little low compared to other tanks specs even after buffing dmg by 3% and buffing the tier set by 100%. Probably needs an overall damage buff of 10% or Blackout Kick multitarget cap needs to be raised.
Comparing logs for single target and AOE between raids and dungeon, Brew is about 400k-600k behind other parses in most cases comparing between the very top logged data at the same content levels.
Unless you’re doing 13s or higher you likely won’t notice the areas where Brew starts to crumple. Magic damage can still be difficult to manage and the gathering abilities of BrM suck, but it is a very fun spec to play which is more than the other tanks can say
Do you cast chi burst as brew ? I find chi wave does negative dmg, while chi burst is annoying as hell to play. Not only you lose all parry/dodge during the cast, cast time can also be pushed back by melee attacks. You also have to pay attention so chi burst doesn’t ninja pull.
You press chi burst as brew, especially as MoH.
You can still dodge/parry during the cast, but it is affected by spell pushback. You can roll a Void Elf if you really want to negate that part.
Its one of our strongest AoE abilities and pretty vital for establishing threat on a pack. You can also use its 40yd range to pull in extra if you want.
Dont forget that bleeds on Brewmaster are especially annoying: You stagger the dot to turn it into…another dot so you take the full damage regardless.
Objectively I feel like there is no reason to play Brew master compared to other thanks unless you just REALLY like the class. It isn’t really the best in anything.
Personally I still play it because I really like the class. I love the unique stagger mechanic and I like the cooldowns and usage of purifying brew and its connection to celestial brew.
However, I have also played VDH and guardian this season as well and they are way easier and way better right now for M+ with much less effort. The people that still clear keys with Brew do so because they WANT to and like the class. They could easily hope over to any other thank though and probably do it much easier.
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I have a blood DK that i’ll be tanking with and made it less squishy using the tanking runeforge gargoyle one and it still out dps my brewmaster from the start of this season and its easy to heal and tank. It still yoyo’s but i’m able to keep myself alive VDH is the same was only classes still reliant on a healer is brewmaster in the worst position ever along with the protections warrior and Pally that out dps alot of other classes and guardian right behind them. Gameplay at this time is not fair for Brewmasters.
They said 3% since the hidden passive went from 32% increase to 35% increase, but that means it was really only a 2.27% increase
