The Alliance were basically imperialist invaders invading Zuldazar for…literally imperialist reasons. Zandalar was still officially neutral (I believe) until attacked and didn’t join the horde til after. Despite this fact the Alliance were glorified as “hero’s” in the battle. Feels like this song about the British fighting the Zulu, who were trying to remove the British from Zulu land. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVW5rjA5O7U
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Just accept bad writing as bad and you’ll realize that chasing purples is why we play.
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The game is schizophrenic when it comes to bad writing/good writing. Sometimes its pretty good, like in certain parts of Legion, MoP and Wrath/Vanilla.
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Everyone is always “Alliance GOOD, Horde BAD” and in Warcraft 1 that was the case, but after the Orcs were cured of the Fel taint, it was no longer that way. The Alliance ENSLAVED the orcs. There’s a whole dungeon where you are literally going back in time to save Thrall from Alliance concentration camps.
So Alliance invading Zuldazar for Imperialist reasons? Check.
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It was borderline until the internal affairs of the Zandalari were realised.
Zul did nothing wrong!
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No you weren’t neutral, you let the horde use the empire as a base of operations making your city a target for war.
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No. They didn’t.
Lordaeron (not Stormwind) detained orcs in prison camps after the Dark Portal. Why did they do that, I wonder? Maybe because a marauding force of space aliens hopped up on demon blood came through a portal fuelled by evil magic, and commenced to slaughtering everything with a pulse in their path. They did not enslave the orcs. They locked them up. HUGE difference.
Varian was enslaved and forced to fight as a gladiator just like Thrall, and that was not “The Alliance” either.
And if we’re going to talk about slavery or caste? Um. Peons. /mic drop
The Alliance invaded Zuldazar, yes, and you can make the argument for colonialism if you like, but that’s EXACTLY what the Horde did, too. No difference. None. The invasion of the actual capital city was arguably a bad political move, but Blizzard wanted the raid to happen, and the reason given for it was to stop the Horde from getting Zandalar’s navy, which Sylvanas would have used to utterly crush what was left of the Alliance.
And let’s not pretend that any of these races from either side had no idea who the Zandalari were or that they were some peace-loving group of people living on their own and minding their own business over the past history of WoW.
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I was gonna respond to her but you did it perfectly.
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Damn right. Bringing you freedom if you like it or not knife ears.
Missed that whole “join the horde” scene, did ya? Or the fire set in Stormwind? Or the sinking of the Alliance pursuit fleet?
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Pretty biased and glass half full way of looking at it.
King Tereneas had two choices. Execute them all, or put them in camps and hope they eventually reformed enough to live on Azeroth properly.
Stromgarde, Quel’thalas and Gilneas left The Alliance because King Tereneas decided to spare The Orcs lives.
Also The Orcs were not put into the camps to be slaves. That was because of jerks like Blackmoore abusing their authority over the camps.
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Yeah… It’s not colonialism if they already have an established society. Dazar’alor is a city with trades and a governing system that matches the Alliance. The Zandalari are not technologically, biologically, or intellectually inferior in any way.
It was just an invasion.
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Hold people against their will and your city gets torched.
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Also where are you even getting The Alliance heroes narrative?
I don’t recall anyone on The Horde saying they’re the heroes. Anduin and Jaina talk about regretting the entire attack, Anduin didn’t want Rastakan to die, he wanted to force the Zandalari to surrender and call off their aid to The Horde.
But Rastakan is arrogant, and someone like him would never surrender.
The Zandalari allowed the Horde to use their capital as a base of operations, and harbored stolen Kul Tiran property in their vaults. You dont get to unofficially ally with the Horde then get sad when the Horde’s enemies attack you.
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I feel clueless when life makes me miss a patch! Lots of interesting takes here.
Nor do you get to pull out the moral superiority card and act like Sylvie didn’t just sail her boyfriend straight up into that harbor and take over the throne so she could take their ships and their Azerite.
I only upvoted because Sabaton.
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For one, not all orcs drank the demon blood. But if the Horde was evil until those orcs who did drink the demon blood were cured, that means the Horde was evil until WC3 when Grom killed Mannoroth. Which was after this:
If you’re using that to refer to the internment camps after the Second War.
Stromgarde and Gilneas, yes, mostly. That’s not why Quel’thalas left, though. Quel’thalas left because it was a reluctant member of the Alliance in the first place, it only joined because of an ancient debt owed to the humans, and with the Horde defeated, Anasterian felt he had repaid that debt. Anasterian also believed the retreat to Lordaeron was the Alliance abandoning Quel’thalas in its darkest hour.
Quel’thalas seceding from the Alliance was also a reason for Gilneas and Stromgarde leaving, it was a domino effect.
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It’s literally not imperialism to hyperfocus purely military targets of a foreign power militarily aiding another power you are at war with, in a war of self-defense that began with a literal genocide from the enemy force for, oh yeah, IMPERIALIST REASONS LIKE WANTING TO HAVE A MONOPOLY ON AZERITE
That is about as far from an imperialist action as it gets