How do you "split" a raid ID?

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By split I’m talking about going separate ways with someone who helped on the first boss in HFC. Several times now since starting this, I’ve zoned out and disbanded but when I zone in I can see the other player is killing or has killed the second boss. If I zone out and zone back in a bit later, I seem to be fine and alone in the raid. What is the exact mechanism?

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If by “zone out and disband” you mean you logged off the game or exited the game, that doesn’t disband the group. You are still part of the group. That’s intentional to protect people who disconnect or just need to temporarily switch toons to do something.

My guess on what happened:

  • you were in a group with someone and logged out of the game, but the other guy kept going.
  • You logged back on that character and since you were never removed from the group you came back to the raid and saw that the other guy just kept going.
  • You exit game again
  • The other guy then finishes farming what he wants and exits.
  • You log back in and are now alone in the raid.
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Thanks for the reply. I’m having trouble with my raid right now. Here are the steps as I remember them:

  1. I’m group leader, clear first boss trash, advertise and invite 2 players.

  2. They zone in and we beat the first boss.

  3. I zone out and leave party.

  4. I zone back in and get a message that 2 of 13 bosses are down and I will be saved to the instance in 56, 55, 54 seconds etc. I zone out again.

  5. Waited about 10 minutes, zone in and get same message except 5 bosses are down now.

I’m guessing the others never exited? I will try again tomorrow. Raid info still shows I’ve only defeated the first boss.

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All of you are locked to the same raid instance. You leaving the group doesn’t break or separate yourself from the shared lock. That’s what that message was about.

That’s one of the ways raids are different from dungeons. Loot each boss once per week, and the shared lock is Blizz’s way of making sure there aren’t any abusable loopholes.

You can try immediately resetting instances after leaving the party, while that won’t allow you to re-loot the bosses you killed it may or may not prevent you from getting “false credit” for boss killed the other guys continue doing after you leave.

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Forgot to add that shared lock was a feature of older raids and not raids in legion and bfa

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It’s not an older raid; he said it was HFC. The issue is he didn’t specify that he’s doing mythic, which is a shared ID in every expansion in which it exists.

When you do Gimi, you are saved to one single raid ID with everyone else in the raid. Even if you leave, the bosses they kill are dead on the shared ID so you will be unable to kill them. A mythic raid can’t be split the way you’re asking.

On heroic or normal, you can kill a boss together, then leave and zone in again, and it will split into multiple raids, one for you and one for everyone else who leaves and zones in out of the party. If you want to clear mythic, you either need to do the whole thing solo, or do the whole thing with the people you started with.

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Thanks, Zothlar, that was the case for me last night but the two previous times I tried it I was able to “split” it somehow - on Mythic. Interesting.

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You are mis-remembering if you think you were splitting a mythic raid lockout. You can’t do that. You’ve never been able to do that. You were either doing those previous runs on normal/heroic, or they were on mythic, but the people you brought in left when you did and you proceeded to clear it without them and their lockout was then cleared like yours was this time.

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I was able to get a Soul Remnant solo for the skip quest on 2 characters so I know it was on Mythic. Here’s how I remember one “success”.

  1. Beat the first boss with someone.

  2. We both zone out and disband.

  3. I go back in and see other player is engaging the second boss.

  4. Zoned out and logged out (I know now this means nothing).

  5. Zoned back in and second boss was marked as defeated but now I was alone in the instance and defeated the rest of the bosses. So I think you’re saying the only way this could have happened is if the other player left the raid after beating the second boss? Seems unlikely but I guess that is the only possible way.

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The problem is Mythic. Mythic still uses the old school “ID Lockout” system, which means once you invite someone, if they do stuff in the instance without you that week, it affects you too since you’re on the same ID system. This is how all raids used to operate, not just with Personal locks.

You can try to get Blizz to change their mind, esp on older legacy raids, but I doubt they’ll budge on it.

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That is the only way that could have happened. He was probably bummed when he came back to finish and found the whole thing cleared. If he had stayed in and cleared the whole thing you would have been unable to do so.

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