Okay, as dumb as this may sound hear me out because this is why I quit WoW before.
People want AOTC achievements to get into Heroic raid groups.
How am I supposed to join with AOTC if I don’t have it?
And you legit get AOTC on the raid for Heroic, so how does this make sense?
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It’s a stupid catch-22 I still don’t understand it. You need to have AotC to run raids but you need to run raids to get AotC.

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Blizzard needs to act on this, not everyone was around at the time.
And yes exactly, in order to get AOTC you need to do it on Heroic lmao.
I’ve only been around to get a heroic Sepulchure because it’s not too late.
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Ya it’s just people wanting a fast run or carry.
You can check if there is that addon that creates a fake aotc achieve lol
Or put in the elbow grease and spam invite to see if you can get into one.
I heard sometimes they never check and it acts to scare away some groups.
AOTC is unavailable in season 4 I think btw.
I don’t doubt it, it’s stupid with this whole fated crap now because no one will be able to do Heroic Fated’s if they never did it before Fated.
And I was one who wasn’t playing at the time.
It’s like real life.
You need 5 years experience for an entry level position.
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It is but nothing much you can change. Just that pugging kinda is the hard way to enjoy this game. It’ll definitely require more time or try getting into a chill guild or look at communities that help… I know perky pugs helps out sometimes with heroic.
Guild raiding. Or find a guild group that is still progression or a learning raid pug.
Don’t go in and expect a full clear on the 1st try
I only got in Heroic because I went with a guild and we only did 6/10H. Honestly, I was originally planning to just do LFR. Then originally planning to do just normal. But they set it to Heroic so I went with it lol.
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Guild, guild, guild, guild, guild
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Guilds are the best answer my friend.
wiggles toes
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Do any of you have any guild recommendations for Exodar Horde?
And you all do get what I’m saying though, right? Like it’s old content, people shouldn’t be asking for AOTC. If there was no fated, people would NOT be asking for AOTC even for Mythic. They would just be doing it for mog.
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Except if it was old content, we’d out gear the raid and blow through it.
They scaled it up. Heroic was a bit harder then I expected. Knowing mechanics honestly is how we got 6/10H, and we all were AOTC raiders.
You did well to quit WoW, now it’s time to quit again. I quit a week ago, so much free time and other games!
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Unfortunately there’s nothing Blizzard can do about something that’s entirely player-driven.
Get rid of AOTC achievements completely lol.
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People have always had ways to gatekeep, removing AotC would do nothing. They would just look for item level or M+ score instead.
If they did that, then I wouldn’t raid anymore or play. I only keep playing because I have AOTC and haven’t missed one. The day I do, I quit. So yes, please get rid of the FOMO.
Make friends. Join a community. Start a community. Look in the LFR for a group. Start your own.
Its the start of a new season so lots of people are looking for normal clears. Once they farm normal they will move on to Heroic. Get in now and move up when they do.