I’m not having trouble with most classes but sub gives me hell. What’s a good way to counter them? I try to trinket the opener into sheep then use my cds to which they usually cloak and reopen. So I use temp shield/alter and try to get some damage in but they still have vanish and blind. I also throw in a frost nova when I can but I’m not using double frost nova talent and don’t have the frost nova leggo yet. I can kite most classes with chrono shift and I’d hate to lose that talent but it seems like I’m gonna have to especially if that’s the leggo to go. Atm they just outdamage me and I have to use alter early or I’m just dead. I know the game isn’t balanced around 1v1 but I’m also undead and wondering if I should go orc and relentless.
go watch xaryu fight pikaboo on youtube and see what xaryu does
U dont beat sub has arcane
Sub is giving everyone hell right now. They’re overpowered. They will be adjusted in the very near future, I have no doubts about it.
While we’re a OP now, once gear starts flowing in, at least we can’t one shot people from 500 miles away like a marksman hunter.
Except Vengeance DHs.
I’ve beaten all the rogues I’ve fought, unless I was outnumbered.
Your a tank. That doesn’t count. 
No class is overpowered.
“Sub rogues don’t count.”
You can literally claim ANYTHING if you are willing and able to make “exceptions.”
I win as a prot pally vs rogues also, but as a ret pally I have to trinket the opener or I’m dead. Tanks have always been the mortal enemy of rogues.
P.S. I was just joshing with you. 
Mhm, alright.
And even as Havoc, if I use Spectral Sight, there might not even BE a rogue opener.
Oh shadow you take me to serious. 
That’s true, but with the way they are at the moment you have to catch them first or your making a ghost run.
Okay, an off meta tank spec isn’t affected. Good to know
/s
I don’t see what Metamorphosis has to do with it.
Vengeance DHs are probably one of the most powerful PVP specs atm; most folks just don’t play it so they don’t know.
Most rogues are going to open with dance/kyrian/blades.
Play Master of Time instead of Shimmer so you can blink his cheap shot instead of trinketing.
Hopefully you’ll have barrier up before he opens. Once he does it’s blink -> alter/temp if he commits CDs, then getting your slow up. I don’t know how arcane’s damage rotation really functions but as far as survival goes it’s mostly going to be smart alters/temps/blinking stuns and using your 2 walls at good times. Can honestly just trade block for his opener if he commits dance, blades, and kyrian together.
Mage is pretty survivable right now, and will actually be defensively overtuned once you get the defensive legendaries and conduits.
On my ele shaman, even if I do trinket the opener, I am dead.
oh wow temporal shield actually saved you ?! that rogue suck… temp shield is a wasted global because it should never pop before you die. rogues only need one global to kill : )
its gear and cov, i got blasted at the start of 60, i geared up and it wasn’t as big an issue. Just have to be aware of when you’re being tracked by one, and to be ready.